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That sad race is increasing in the US every single day. The schools are pushing liberalism/socialism full tilt.

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Ironic that I read in yesterday's Spokane paper that the city of Seattle has a law that it is illegal to carry a knife of a certain size and that someone was arrested and convicted of carrying a "kitchen knife" in a sheath that.

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The bottom line is that liberals, especially UK and Canadian liberals, are terrible people and should not be paid any attention.

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Santa leave a piece of coal in your stocking, Bill? Maryland is a liberal-friendly state.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
The bottom line is that liberals, especially UK and Canadian liberals, are terrible people and should not be paid any attention.


Really Eightbore? Canadian liberals are somehow worse than American liberals? We don't have anyone to compare to Hillary or Obama. Good luck when Hillary is your new president.

I'm in the habit of expecting reasonable comments from you. That was just idiotic.

Edit to add: Chauvinistic nationalist comments are just foolish. Idiots are idiots regardless of where they live.

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Bill is a bit of a tease, James.

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Idiocy such as this makes me ever more grateful to the patriots who whipped the redcoats and sent them home with their tails between their legs. God bless them. Pray that we never reach that point.

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"With one foot in the grave ..........and one foot on the pedal, I was born a Rebel" T.P.
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Yup, good thing Dave has a sense of humor. Probably tickled with all the incoming pms.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Santa leave a piece of coal in your stocking, Bill? Maryland is a liberal-friendly state.


As long as we all know where you're coming from in these matters King! We already know where you stand on Gun Control and how much you support anti-gun politicians... or at least we all should:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.


Do you remember this little exchange from Misfires King?

Originally Posted By: J.R.B.
Originally Posted By: King Brown
JRB, it is unusual for a Canadian to correct wacky American notions of the Second Amendment, particularly on a board with 28 pages under "Preserve the 2nd amendment thread---informational."


Then why are you HERE telling us our Second Amendment is wrong? It's not your country, it's not your Constitution, it's not your Bill of Rights, it's not your Second Amendment. It's OURS and get this straight King, there is NOTHING wacky about our notions of the MOST PRECIOUS GIFT our Forefathers gave us. Damn, I'm going to cut another check to the NRA. God Bless them.


Do you recall how you said the following even after mentioning Obama's previous Executive Orders imposing new gun control without Congressional approval?

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Second is what originalists and others want it to be, the former seeing any variances as infringements. So it goes and ever will be. It is not inviolable and inalienable as some members want all of us to believe.

Americans love their guns. I said during the weeping and wailing of an anticipated Obama onslaught that any changes on his watch would be cosmetic. Gun rights are a minefield where any politician moves at her peril. The president's last 21 Executive Orders on gun control hardly got a mention here---if one, at all.


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May I butt in to help the question along, Craig? I believe Obama will be in the top third historically for what he did under the circumstances. I would vote for him again because the current alternative scares me. I couldn't vote Clinton. I believe Obama is anti-gun and can't go farther than he has because, as I have said here repeatedly for years, Americans are in love with their guns.


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It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


Obama is meeting with his Attorney General right now aiming to impose even more Executive Orders, some of which will likely affect the transfer of Double Guns. But as craigd notes, I'm sure the Thread Police are busy whining to Dave to make sure few people see this. Call-write-email your Congressman and Senators to let them know this is unacceptable and an impeacheable end-run around the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Why doesn't the government enforce the laws in place? I can only theorize as to their sincerity or lack of. What is fact is the current President's administration has not worked very hard on enforcement of current gun laws and now posits that what is required is an expansion of laws they they already are not enforcing.

I ask those who support that expansion to explain why the already existing law is unenforced with prosecutions for false submission of BATF federal documents?

I could not find current prosecution rates and below is drawn from a Washington Post (Democrat Party Mouthpiece)article:
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""The Facts

Ever since the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) was established, government reports — such as by the General Accounting Office in 2003 and the Justice Department Inspector General in 2004 — have documented how few people are prosecuted. In 2002 and 2003, for instance, the IG found that only 154 people (much less than one percent) out of 120,000 denials were prosecuted — about an average of 78 prosecutions a year.

Starting in 2005, annual studies of the NICS system began listing the number of prosecutions per year that resulted from federal background checks. Generally, about the same number of people is denied through state agencies, but the records are spotty on how many state prosecutions resulted.

Below is the key data, with links to the reports in the date. The 2005 report did not break out the actual number of fugitives or felons, but just gave a percentage. We calculated the percentage of denials out of all denials because the data does not how many prosecutions involved felons or fugitives.



2010: 72,659 denials
34,459 felony convictions/indictments
13,862 fugitives
44 prosecutions (0.06 percent of denials)

2009: 67,324 denials
32,652 felony convictions/indictments
11,341 fugitives
77 prosecutions (0.11 percent)

2008: 70,725 denials
39,526 felony convictions/indictments
9,464 fugitives
105 prosecutions (0.15 percent)

2007: 73,992 denials
23,703 felony convictions/indictments
4,803 fugitives
122 prosecutions (0.16 percent)

2006: 69,930 denials
25,259 felony convictions/indictments
4,235 fugitives
112 prosecutions (0.16 percent)

2005: 66,705 denials
36.8 percent felony convictions/indictments
5.3 percent fugitives
135 prosecutions (0.20 percent)

Clearly there is a bit a downward trend here, with the low point reached in 2010, both in terms of raw numbers and as a percentage of denials. (We suspect there might have been a brief burst of enthusiasm for more prosecutions after the critical 2004 IG report.)

But the differences are really on the margins. Neither the Bush administration nor Obama administration ever prosecuted even ¼ of one percent of the people who failed to pass a criminal background check.""
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The denied checks listed do not allow for errors in the database which allowed ineligible buyers to purchase. It makes one more than a little ill to see the cloak of immunity that the current and past administrations have given those who may have lied on their forms. They most not value truthful official statements whether signed or otherwise under oath.



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