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Obama just had a news conference announcing his intentions to roll out new gun laws without Congressional consent over the next few days. Universal Background Checks will absolutely affect you and your right to transfer ownership of your Double Guns, even to your own children.

No comments from the guys who assured us that he wouldn't do it?
Probably too busy e-mailing Dave to demand that he delete this thread!

Before that happens, be sure to contact your elected representatives to let them know how you feel about this. Here is how you can get contact info for your Congressman and Senators if you don't already know:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm

This is the short message I sent to my elected representatives last week:

Dear _____, I am writing to let you know that I AM NOT in favor of any additional laws, controls, and regulations that will affect law abiding gun owners including the Universal Background Checks that President Obama is advancing. I ask that you do everything you can to thwart or reverse any such measures he unilaterally implements. We do not need a President who does unconstitutional end runs around Congress and the Constitution. We do not need any more laws restricting the rights of law abiding gun owners that would have done nothing to prevent recent gun violence or terrorist acts. Thank you.

Obama is telling them, and the nation, that even gun owners want these new restrictions on our Rights. It is up to you to make sure they know how you really feel.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Old Colonel's figures on prosecutions of those who either lied on their 4473s or were denied based on their previous records which should have prevented their ownership of guns, may not be 100% accurate, but you get the message. Criminals continue to try to buy guns under present law, and are not prosecuted when they are caught. Similar lack of prosecution for straw purchases would result in similar low percentages. Obama will not address these situations because addressing them would result in the prosecution of "CRIMINALS" which is not Obama's agenda. CRIMINALS vote democrat and Obama does not want such people incarcerated. As far as my original statement is concerned, I stand by it. Of course, we know the Brits have all but outlawed gun traffic, to no help in eliminating crime or violence. The Canadians spent tens of millions on a nationwide gun registration which worked so badly that it was scrapped. In the wake of the scrapping of the ridiculous gun registration, they elected another left wing Prime Minister, PM Junior, a second generation family candidate similar to what we would have if we elected Hillary. Take back my post about UK and Canadian left wingers, no way. In some minor way, the USA voters are in charge, regardless of the percentage of uninformed voters. In the UK and Canada, the voters are not only not in charge, they are absolutely unaware of what their leaders are doing to them.

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The "what to do" section reads a lot like the bear warnings at national park trailheads.

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.


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Originally Posted By: keith
Obama just had a news conference announcing his intentions to roll out new gun laws without Congressional consent over the next few days. Universal Background Checks will absolutely affect you and your right to transfer ownership of your Double Guns, even to your own children.

No comments from the guys who assured us that he wouldn't do it?
Probably too busy e-mailing Dave to demand that he delete this thread!

Before that happens, be sure to contact your elected representatives to let them know how you feel about this. Here is how you can get contact info for your Congressman and Senators if you don't already know:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm

This is the short message I sent to my elected representatives last week:

Dear _____, I am writing to let you know that I AM NOT in favor of any additional laws, controls, and regulations that will affect law abiding gun owners including the Universal Background Checks that President Obama is advancing. I ask that you do everything you can to thwart or reverse any such measures he unilaterally implements. We do not need a President who does unconstitutional end runs around Congress and the Constitution. We do not need any more laws restricting the rights of law abiding gun owners that would have done nothing to prevent recent gun violence or terrorist acts. Thank you.

Obama is telling them, and the nation, that even gun owners want these new restrictions on our Rights. It is up to you to make sure they know how you really feel.


Keith:
I have tried along with you and others to bring the dangers of this administration to everyone's attention only to be derided by the trolls that are allowed to infest this forum and have every attempt made to post what was actually going on deleted by them to circumvent the truth. Frankly I've given up in disgust.
Most of the membership here is complacent believing Obama and others of his socialist ilk are only after assault rifles, black guns , high capacity magazines etc.
GUESS WHAT Complacent ones: He want's your shotguns along with everything else to be traceable.
WHY? Because the goal all along is to disarm all responsible Americans in order to convert the United States to a socialist Country and untraceable firearms can't be confiscated.
An armed citizenry would be in the position to revolt and prevent this conversion. One of the first steps the NAZIs took before the holocaust was to disarm the Jewish Citizenry. One of the first steps Castro took after ousting the Batista regime and instituting Communism in Cuba was to make the private ownership of firearms illegal.
So all you members here that choose to remain silent go crawl back into your "safe places" and enjoy the firearms you currently own for as long as you're allowed to own them.
I'll go back to remaining silent now as I'm fairly certain what is going to happen if this isn't vigorously repelled.
Jim

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Take back my post about UK and Canadian left wingers, no way. In some minor way, the USA voters are in charge, regardless of the percentage of uninformed voters. In the UK and Canada, the voters are not only not in charge, they are absolutely unaware of what their leaders are doing to them.



OBAMA has been your president for 7 years. You elected the idiot then did it again. Now you will be electing his successor, Hillary. And we are the idiots? Voters are somehow in charge in the US but not in Canada? Good God man, at least make sense.

You have the foresight of people 240 years ago to thank for your better gun laws than us and despite it being a constitutional right, you still have problems. But our left wing guys are somehow worse???

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I know CB hard to believe that she committed a crime that would land all of us second class citizens in jail while she leads or is tied with (statistically) every Republican candidate in the national race. Hard to frickin believe.

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Jim, I'm certain that's exactly why canvasback posted the link to the website in his original post in this thread:

http://www.idontcarryaknife.org/knife-crime/what-do-i-do

You are quite correct that many gun owners are complacent and also feel that if we give the anti-gunners our black rifles or high capacity magazines, they will go away and not bother our doubles and conventional rifles. But we've seen time and time again that if we give an inch, they will take a mile.

Hoot4570 is very fortunate that nobody turned him in for simply possessing a pocket knife on his trips to Great Britain. The penalty could have been 4 years in prison and a fine of 5000 pounds.

This is where we are headed if we simply sit back and do nothing and say nothing. But just two years ago, we stuck together and made our voices heard. We called our representatives and record numbers of new members joined the NRA. We got the attention of Congress and the Senate and gave Obama his most stinging defeat.

We can rest on our laurels and lose, or we can make our voices heard again. The anti-gun trolls will always be with us. Best thing we can do is to out them every chance we get. The thing they hate the most is their own words. That is why they are so happy that Misfires has been sequestered. Next is making it known how much they cry to Dave for censorship to protect their anti-gun heroes.


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Originally Posted By: treblig1958
I know CB hard to believe that she committed a crime that would land all of us second class citizens in jail while she leads or is tied with (statistically) every Republican candidate in the national race. Hard to frickin believe.


And much as it pains me to think it, I don't see anyone else beating her. Not yet anyway. Sure hope I'm wrong for all your sakes.


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James, I predict you will see the usual suspects right here defending Hillary Clinton, and swearing up and down that she will not be a threat to our Gun Rights. Just like they did with Obama. And when anyone posts information showing her extreme anti-gun tendencies, they will whine and cry and complain to Dave, and demand that such offensive words be removed from this hallowed website.

Just like they do now.


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Originally Posted By: keith
Jim, I'm certain that's exactly why canvasback posted the link to the website in his original post in this thread:

http://www.idontcarryaknife.org/knife-crime/what-do-i-do

You are quite correct that many gun owners are complacent and also feel that if we give the anti-gunners our black rifles or high capacity magazines, they will go away and not bother our doubles and conventional rifles. But we've seen time and time again that if we give an inch, they will take a mile.

Hoot4570 is very fortunate that nobody turned him in for simply possessing a pocket knife on his trips to Great Britain. The penalty could have been 4 years in prison and a fine of 5000 pounds.

This is where we are headed if we simply sit back and do nothing and say nothing. But just two years ago, we stuck together and made our voices heard. We called our representatives and record numbers of new members joined the NRA. We got the attention of Congress and the Senate and gave Obama his most stinging defeat.

We can rest on our laurels and lose, or we can make our voices heard again. The anti-gun trolls will always be with us. Best thing we can do is to out them every chance we get. The thing they hate the most is their own words. That is why they are so happy that Misfires has been sequestered. Next is making it known how much they cry to Dave for censorship to protect their anti-gun heroes.


Keith, up here in Canada I am a member of a gun site called gunnutz. It currently has about 150,000 members so on a per capita basis, an American site would need about 1,500,000 to compare. It caters to all types of gun owners, and all types of guns (except full auto).

They have and use a name for the kind of gun owner you are referring to. FUDDS. As in Elmer Fudd. As in can't see the obvious even though it is directly in front of you. As in willing to throw others under the bus as long as "they" leave his hunting long guns alone. Doesn't understand that he will just be the last targeted....shortsighted enough to believe he is not targeted. But as the knife website and attached blather makes clear, there is no end to the need to control by the left. Or the stupidity.

Gunnutz has whole sections devoted to gun politics and it was a central clearing house and distribution point for the fight against the long gun registry as well as supporting gun friendly politicians. It does all this with little discord among the members because a) it's moderated and b) the membership regularly call out Fudds and PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT ALLOWS A FUDD TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS CHOICES. Instead of supporting the hiding of that information.

This site, IMHO, is infested with FUDDS. They may know a lot about their doubles, they may even know a lot about the larger world outside doubles. But they don't understand the left and they are prepared to kick others under the bus with the vain hope they will be spared.

Now this site is privately owned. And it behooves us to behave in a way that makes the ownership (Dave) happy....or at least headache free. And I don't like to give headaches to Dave so I try to fly under the radar so to speak on this subject and make my points quietly so as not to stir up the Fudds too much and cause Dave headaches. Hoping, perhaps vainly, that the issues will become clearer for them with a few pertinent examples from GB or Canada that can be harbingers for thinking people. When someone like eightbore thinks the problem is that our leftists are somehow worse than his leftists, well....you can't fix stupid. Especially when he chooses to double down on it.

My apologies to Dave. I hoped this thread would be taken with a bit of good humour at the ridiculousness of the anti knife site while at the same time providing a discreet warning. Instead, it stirred up some sort of misplaced national pride regarding whose idiots are stupider.

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