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Its amazing, you mention damascus to people who are knowledgeable about all aspects of shooting and firearms and all the hackneyed nonsense comes pouring forth. I cannot think of any other area in guns with so much myth surround it.

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Myths and lies repeated often enough eventually become truths as a result of countless repetitions by countless idiots.

The myths about Damascus barrels being a "time bomb" and "unsafe with any load" will carry long into the future and may in fact, never die.

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I love the Myths and lies, they have helped me get a lot of good deals over the years.

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Thank you Dam, Gary and drew.

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I have a black powder proof Belgian gun (Francotte) that I shoot with nitro loads mostly of my loading. I keep the pressure under about 600 PSI for my loads. Generally 4500-5000.

I had the barrels checked by a good gunsmith, then x-rayed at my friend the physician's office. Then I had the barrels checked by an aircraft mechanic...I've forgotten the coating process.

There were no defects shown in any test so I continue to shoot 7/8 an 1 ounce loads in this 12 bore. It was made in 1891-1892.

Fiocchi makes a trainer load for 12 gauge...7/8 ounce that is according to the factory between 6500-7500 psi (probably less). It may be a good starter load for damascus barrels in otherwise perfect condition.

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Little creek, good idea about the fiocchi training load, however i'd guess they are for 2 3/4" chambers, when the chamber of most old guns are 2 1/2". Most 2 1/2" cartridges available are game cartridges and are pretty pokey, i'd not use them unless i knew 100% the gun would be safe with them.

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bonny,
An outfit called Peter Dyson used to sell BP shells. I dont know the practicalities of sending them across the water though. If you are looking for 2 1/2" light loads there are many available, I use Eley Impax 1 ounce a lot, not sure of velocity etyc as I am in the Med just now. Eley "First" also have a 1 ounce load in 2 1/2" case and something like 7/8 ounce also. I think Hull Cartridge etc do similiar loads.
I don't know that there are any praqctical advantages to using BP loads in a damascus (BP proofed) gun as opposed to a light load nitro. Main thing for me is to check bore diameter against proof marks and just as important, remaining wall thickness.

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Gamebore in the U.K. are the only manufacturer of Black Powder cartridges as far as I know. They only do them in 12 and 20 bore but did a few in 16 bore once. Quite expensive so far earlier to make your own. One thing to watch for with today's so called light one ounce loads is that a lot are made to function through semi autos so have a bit of pressure. If you live in Ireland I thought there was still a Proof House in Dublin that you could consult with. Lagopus.....

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Thanks Lagopus, i thought eley did them too. No there is no proof house in ireland, i don't know if there ever was, but seeing as the gun trade here was so small i doubt it.

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