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Good thing that action wasn't made out of Damascus steel Drew. It probably would have unwound, fragmented, and killed everyone within a 50 yard radius. 
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Lloyd, Here is a pic from 16 years ago. 20ga Flues, 26" Krupp barrels, 5lbs 9oz. That one was like a magic wand.  
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I would say that your magic wand worked pretty well that day. Ok, I'm hooked. I should just break down and get a copy of Walt's book and spare you all the questions (I'll go ahead get a copy anyway, assuming I can find one). It would be nice to own an American double again for the uplands. The challenge as I see it is finding one with sufficient LOP and without too-much drop. I suppose finding an English grip is too much to ask for? Also, what's the scoop on Damascus guns? As light as the fluid steel guns? And....of course, where do the 16s fit in the Flues weight range?
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Lloyd, I can tell you that I have sold 2 16ga Flues in the last 2 years because of weight. My current 16 (1912) is a 30" gun and weights 6lbs 5oz. The 2 I sold were later guns. One was 6lbs 15oz and the other was 7lba 4oz. My point is that you need to ask the weight and be sure it fits your application. My damascus 20 is under 6lbs but I haven't weighed it yet. Being under 6lbs and 28" barrels, it is also a dream to handle. I use a Galco leather butt on 14" guns to get the length out to 14-5/8 which works for me. The damascus gun has been restocked. Read money pit.
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Stan;
Some years ago I read a very interesting theory on those Swamped ML rifle barrels. As I recall it was in a publication by the National ML Rifle Association, don't recall its exact name.
Anyway the author explained the flats were put on by grinding. They were placed in a fixture which was tipped up at the muzzle end to give the taper & then pushed back & forth across the top of a large grinding wheel. It was thus a fairly long drawn out process as was much of ML rifle building in those days. His contention was that as the carriage moved back & forth grinding took place faster toward the center as more weight was applied there than near the ends where it was supported on one end. His theory was that when the breech end was ground to the desired dimension they simply quit grinding rather than take the time to continue for a perfect taper. thus he claimed the swamping was more or less accidental rather than intentional.
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O Stan;
Some years ago I read a very interesting theory on those Swamped ML rifle barrels. As I recall it was in a publication by the National ML Rifle Association, don't recall its exact name.
Anyway the author explained the flats were put on by grinding. They were placed in a fixture which was tipped up at the muzzle end to give the taper & then pushed back & forth across the top of a large grinding wheel. It was thus a fairly long drawn out process as was much of ML rifle building in those days. His contention was that as the carriage moved back & forth grinding took place faster toward the center as more weight was applied there than near the ends where it was supported on one end. His theory was that when the breech end was ground to the desired dimension they simply quit grinding rather than take the time to continue for a perfect taper. thus he claimed the swamping was more or less accidental rather than intentional. That's interesting, Miller. I don't recall ever reading that. Doesn't exactly make sense, though, to me. If that were the case the smaller diameter would be in the center portion of the barrel length, but they weren't. The smaller portion was much nearer the muzzle end. My understanding was that the final work on them all was done by draw filing anyway, not grinding. Many early longrifle builders didn't even have access to a grinding apparatus. I do know from experience with them that it makes for a very elegant longrifle. I've never seen one on an English rifle, only American. SRH
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Well....had to trade in two good pump guns for this one. Hope it was worth it. Circa 1917 Field grade 20-gauge Flues, 28-inch tubes, acceptable dimensions & unmolested 2 1/2-inch chambers, 6lbs1. 
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Additional photography for ithaca1's review. The Cockerel steel tubes are a wee-bit heavy, but undented and unmolested (original chokes and chambers).  Reminds me of so-many of the guns I grew up with. But...fairly petite for an American field grade. 
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I have it's twin, right down to the small gap between wood and frame at the top. Mine weighs about 5-9 but swings well.
I had a problem with opening after firing, the bent cocking lever thing, but fit a replacement and it's back in service. Good luck with yours.
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Lloyd,
Good morning.
Heading out of town in a bit. Will be back tomorrow. We can compare Fluesies then. Yours looks nice. My Damascus barrels returned!! I'll bet most of that dent in the left panel will steam out.
Best,
Bill
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