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If you want to play stupid, I guess anyone can make an argument out of imagination and make believe. What a crock of BS. Al you know better than that.

If you read up on lead poisoning, lead in waterfowl, and just a few other details it wouldn't be hard to educate yourself a few times over.

Brent
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Ok Brent, I can see that this has digressed to the point of the name calling. Thank you for your insight. Al

Kent still makes their Tungsten Matrix, which is safe to use in older guns. However, that stuff has some serious velocity and chamber pressures may be brutal. I haven't found tungsten matrix as a reloading component but I have found Bismuth. Last time I bought Bismuth to reload with was at Cabelas the price was $72 for 7 lbs of it.
I'll tell you guys I've had enough. I went out and purchased a single barrel 10 gauge from New England Arms and just use that for waterfowl. If I was a better shot I would have purchased Ruger's sweet little 28 gauge but whatever
All the best

Al,

If you are going to continue to blurt out claims like that, what do you expect? You DO know better. Do you expect everyone that has even the slightest knowledge of the issues to just roll over and concede the field whenever you disagree?

I have a Littelton shot maker and we have made up to #6 shot. The process is very touchy. The lead works great, it seems to flow much better. We currently buy Bismuth with 5% tin in 100 lb lots, for about $8.00/lb. Last time I purchased this amount was 2 years ago.

When re-loading we try to only use the bismuth on the .410, 28ga, and 20 ga. More shells for the $$$$$.

I do know that they started trying to ban lead shot in the early 1900's...I guess they should've read the reports AL read.

Our Aussie posters and one down in Texas gave us a fair amount of information about making Bismuth shot last year or the year before. I tried to make some in #5 shot size as this was my personal favorite in lead for many years. I had very mixed results, but did get some decent shot out of the attempt. Maybe 20% was what I wanted and the rest needed more work, if you know what I mean. With more experience it should be possible to produce enough decent shot to supply all one persons needs fairly easily. After all what are we trying to make 25-50 pound a year?

I started out with a Littleton shotmaker that I bought used.
I had trouble getting the right temperature, the nozzle hole needed to be altered, my first attempt to use anti freeze was not a good one. Others use diesel or even soap I understand. I tried several different combos of Bismuth and Tin. Pure Bismuth was fairly brittle. Tin made it more workable. It is all trial and error type stuff. Not rocket science or brain surgery. If several groups tried to make it and shared information then it would be a cake walk.

My "failures" were often a teardrop shape or just several different sizes of pellets. Just to see how they would pattern I loaded a few shells with the teardrop shot and patterned them. They patterned well and I suspect that the duck would never have know they were rejected pellets. I was afraid to load them in a progressive loader because they could bridge in the tube and not load properly.

I have only one real problem with the Bismuth patent. How or why on Earth did they get a patent for a process that is not that unique or even original? I suspect it was just a case of a patent office worker with no concept of the application that was before them and they just granted it.

Treblig, are you sure Kent matrix is high velocity and high-pressure? I'm using 2 1/2 12 ga one ounce at 6500 and 1 1/16 at 7500.

I believe it started digressing to the point of name calling with "Thank you, all of you lowest form of scum pond life, Lawyers."

Someones got to keep the pond clean for the rest of the bottom feeders.

I expect nothing of the sort, your assumptions are, that I have read none of the available literature on the subject. Does this mean I would have been overwhelmed by the science? Or perhaps stood in awe of the authors credentials?

It is not possible to have read any of this material and found holes in the science?

I do indeed find it suspect anytime pressure is put on individual liberty to conform to peer pressure. Why is coercion held in high regard when used to pressure people to conform.

You totally misunderstand my position in regards to you, whether you believe me or not. For that matter weather anyone believes me. I do not care. Believe what ever you wish, this is one of the few freedoms fascism still plays lip service to (but rejects).