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It is stated that the gun that is the subject of this thread is a Grade 6R EE Excelsior. Earlier in the thread there is a list of other grades from 1921. Are any of the higher grades known to be in existence? I can only imagine what they might look like.

During 1921 the following grades were in use:
0 - 1 - 2 - 2/R - 3/R - 4/R -5/RE - 6/R - 6/RE - 6RE/E - 7RE/P - 9/P - 9/PE -
9RE/A - 205 - 206 - 208 - 210 - 9C/R - 10C/R - 12C/R

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Originally Posted By: VictoryXC
It is stated that the gun that is the subject of this thread is a Grade 6R EE Excelsior. Earlier in the thread there is a list of other grades from 1921. Are any of the higher grades known to be in existence? I can only imagine what they might look like.

During 1921 the following grades were in use:
0 - 1 - 2 - 2/R - 3/R - 4/R -5/RE - 6/R - 6/RE - 6RE/E - 7RE/P - 9/P - 9/PE -
9RE/A - 205 - 206 - 208 - 210 - 9C/R - 10C/R - 12C/R


Sure there are. Here's one for sale now. I have saved pics of a number of others. This one is a bit gaudy for my taste. Maybe made for a Russian. LOL

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAGNIFIQUE-IDEAL-356-AS-DE-PIC-item-2940019.html


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Stunning gun, but a wee bit out of my price range. Well, maybe more than a wee bit.

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Another Ideal, although a low grade it is very unique. It is a Costo Super, from what I've been told by a Manufrance authority he's never seen one before other than in a catalog.

12ga, Robust style stepped barrels, snap-on forend and working retractable sling.





I did post this a number of years ago looking for info but as long as this thread has legs I thought I'd throw it in.

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Oskar, what do you want to know about it? It is the same gun as what's called an MF Robust-Ideal, a hybrid of the two main models, Ideal and Robust. It was a marketing effort to reach a middle price point.

Your Costco version (nothing to do with big box retailers) was branded "Costco" in an effort to be able to sell essentially the same model of gun through a different (and usually conflicting) channel of distribution. Done by brands regularly, although besides with MF I'm not really familiar with gun companies doing it other than MF.

I have seen pics of Costco Ideals and Costco Robust Ideals. I've also seen a completely no name Ideal.


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Actually it is branded "Costo Super" not "Costco".

I have pretty much all the info on it from my earlier search. There was a writer from South America that has done some articles on MF shotguns that filled me in on the history of the Costo/Ideal.


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Is it Supra or Super?


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It is "Costo Super"


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Well, as long as the thread is still winding on and I love to have Ideal conversations...

Here's another La Manu mystery: it is generally agreed that barrels could languish for years before being fitted to receivers and completed. This would then explain the serial number on the barrels reflecting an earlier date than the production of the completed gun (though I believe the serial number on the gun, (in my observations "upside down" on the standing breech) matched the barrels.

But when did the barrels receive their serial number? I have purchased two sets of barrels in the white, "finished" except for fitting to the gun. Only the finished bore size is stamped on the barrels. Were they then only numbered when they went in for proof? Here are pics of the numberless barrels:




So I brought the set on the left in from France to fit to the No. 5 recently acquired, but it seems they are from the 1930's, or at the very least, later than the 1925 No. 5, and won't work. They are however identical to the 314, and if I had deep pockets they could be fitted to the 314 and thus would be born a 16 Ideal with three sets of barrels. Or I could exhibit some uncommon sense and have the originals opened up to make them more useful.

So many barrels, so few Ideals.

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Mike, if you keep at it, you may eventually have enough pieces to make up your own "Wingshooter's Special Model Ideal".

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