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Game. set. match.....Ted on a spelling technicality.....
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geesh I guess my departed pinecoble setter didn't read that book about not being able to hunt pheasants!molly jo had 8 yrs of pheasants before she also died of cancer,didnt know what a grouse was!i mounted last 2 birds I shot over her 2wks before she died as a memorial to her.RIP molly jo
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I don't think the notion was one of a dog not being able to hunt some species of bird. I think it was about having someone tell you how a setter should or should not "look", regardless of what species you were hunting, what cover you were hunting, and how hard you went about doing that hunting.
Sorry about the loss of your dog. I hate it when that happens to me, and wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Best,
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Ted, first of all that was my opinion of what a setter should look like. If you looked at the video, that is what I was referring to. All old pictures show the exact same type of setter, like the ones in the video. Some of the setters now were bred to be smaller and to me lost the look of the "older" setters.
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Ted, first of all that was my opinion of what a setter should look like. If you looked at the video, that is what I was referring to. All old pictures show the exact same type of setter, like the ones in the video. Some of the setters now were bred to be smaller and to me lost the look of the "older" setters.
David, I don't want to get into a pissing contest about dogs....we all have our favorites for whatever reasons make us happy and I'm good with that. However, as the owner of 4 Llewellins over the last 20 years, it has always struck me that they look most like the old pics I have seen of setters in the field. And when I say old, I mean 1860 to 1910 kind of old. I always think of my Llewellins as English setters from the 1880's, before kennel club ideas of what they should look like took hold. I have taken comfort in the belief that Llewellins have been bred primarily for behavior, not appearance. I'd be interested in your, and anyone's else's, thoughts on this. edit to add: I have a number of original prints by Alexander Pope Jr of some of the first Llewellins to make it to North America in the 1880's, including copies of the dogs' pedigrees on the back of the prints. These are dogs that are within 3 generations of Llewellin's foundational dogs. And they are dead ringers for the llewellins I see today.
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Ted, first of all that was my opinion of what a setter should look like. If you looked at the video, that is what I was referring to. All old pictures show the exact same type of setter, like the ones in the video. Some of the setters now were bred to be smaller and to me lost the look of the "older" setters.
Beans, I'll preface this with this thought. The show ring has been more destructive to our breeds of sporting dogs than anything else in their history. "Old" isn't mid 1800s when talking setters, David. The breed was recognizable as far back as 1000AD, prior to the use of firearms, the game was usually netted, along with the dogs, in the early descriptions of the hunt.The setters were prized more than the evolving spanials for their lack of tongue during the hunt and the crouch that came to be called a point. The descriptions from the era describe a dog of no more than 30 lbs, lean, and able to make game for long periods of time, over great distances. I had some of the show stock, in Irish and English setters, David. My gut feeling is any dog over 50lbs is starting to show some of the bad effects of breeding for the ring, and it will a tougher row to hoe for that dog between 5-10 years of age. That is just based on what I have seen, and owned, and is my opinion, as well. My two examples of dogs in that catagory were well over 50lbs, and had the show ring "look", big pooch with heavy feathering. But, that "look" didn't help them much in the task of finding, holding, or retrieving birds, especially as older dogs. I don't hunt anywhere on the east coast, and the wide, open expanses of the Dakotas, that are my backyard, might be shocking for someone with a lot of time spent in New England and their dog to see. I came to my notions of what works for me in a setter, right here. When I see the big plowhorse style of a dog in that country, I feel a twinge of sympathy for the dog. Best, Ted
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I am reading this with great interest, as I am only 19. What I get from this thread is regardless of what breed or line thereof we hunt, the clearest message coming through from everyone is just how much we LOVE OUR DOGS! My family's GSP Dixie Belle is almost 16, blind and deaf with hip dysplasia. We have not hunted her in years. The vet says she is healthy otherwise. My father and mother get up twice a night to take her out so she won't soil and humiliate herself. EVERY NIGHT! I asked my father if he would ever put her down, his answer..."As long as she is not in pain [vet says no] then she will stay with us as long as she has"
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You are 19 and you are hanging around a double gun website? Wow. Impressive. Welcome aboard.
Hope there is a new bird dog in your future, and time and space to put it to use.
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Thanks for posting that. I've owned a few setters out of Ryman's blood. These dogs are what setters are supposed to look like, flat head with knob at back, long flowing feathers on tail and legs. Robust dogs that are great in stature. Once you see one you know where the lineage comes from. Here is Max I had to have him put down Dec. 23, 2014 at age 8 because of cancer. This is about 2 years before then.  I think about him all the time, he was always with me around the property. Wow, is that setter beautiful.
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Obvious difference between Osthaus' setters http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/20832819and Muss-Arnolt's & Blinks' http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/18497486Riab & Danchin http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19972443http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19972443My best was Kate, from a backyard breeder in KS, who still 'set' and sometimes 'flagged'   and had a thing for yard art  It should be noted that in addition to Llewellin and Laverack setters, there were Llandidloes from Wales (all white), Leatherstone, Southesk, Lovat, Naworth Castle, Seafield and Ossulton lines. Also lines from Sweden and Russia.
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