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This is a very lengthy article describing how the FBI does a firearms trace and their associated problems in doing so. The article is opinionated(anti-NRA and Anti-gun) but it's the most comprehensive description of the process I've ever seen. This information is detailed and probably NOT of interest to all the members here. IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS DON'T BOTHER READING IT! Jim http://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns
The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
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Note no where in the article is it really mentioned why the law is what it is. Lack of trust.
That there is no database, because the liberal left have repeatedly demonstrated that any promises of that the database will not ever be used to confiscate guns cannot be trusted. Were I to believe we could trust it would not be used, I would be happy to support a computerized database. Unfortunately I cannot.
I could diagram out the promises made by the left not kept in short order, flat out lies, deliberate selective enforcement, and finally regular violation of the law as shown both in rulings by the supreme court and more in press reports. If anything the growth is dishonesty is accelerating.
It is sad to say while I remain disappointed in both political parties, I believe the left despite the supposedly termed "liberal" are in fact an even greater threat to actual liberty.
The article might spend more energy about how to restore actual faith and confidence in the promises and honesty of politicians and government workers.
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Recommended reading, if for no other reason definitive proof that for all government yapping about reining in guns it will never happen. Same for building a wall. Illusions. A dishonest strategy. Americans love their guns, drugs and cheap labour. Politicians pretend to be committed to keeping them out. Huge amounts of money continue to flow into Mexico. There's no quelling the American appetite for narcotics. Presidents provide an illusion of legality and security to walls and immigration that cannot succeed. Thanks, Jim.
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King, I firmly believe that if they could alter the laws they will try. The criminals will ignore the laws as they do now, but good people will be for ed by the values leftists don't have to comply
You may be right that they will not achieve it, but it will only be because people like many who populate this board fight without pause.
I wish intelligent compromise and reasoned actions could be taken, but I return to my earlier post, the left cannot be trusted. Further it has no honor, they will lie, they will go back on their word, they will not faithfully enforce laws. It is sad for me to know we have come to this, but there it is.
The wall may be an illusion, but so is the current administration's adherence to their sworn duty to adhere to the law, much less enforce it properly.
The current immigration system was created by the Unions and Democrats during the Roosevelt administration though amended remains essentially a lottery and luck of relations already here, because of the failure of trust in DC and trust in America for the DC establishment. A point system managed system to the economic benefit of our country similar to Australia, New Zealand, and your country. We cannot get there as long as the left continues identity politics and immigration as a vote getting issue and screams of racism.
The left has created an intellectually dishonest set of talking points which only serves to spark the unreasoned emotional reaction manifested in Trump rhetoric.
Should the US not get a handle on this problem which must include significantly increased security, deportation for many if not most, and no citizenship for those whose arrivals were oillegal, then it is only a matter of time until we are swamped. Then again the socialist party, who survives through identity politics wants that to happen.
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A mine field would be cheaper than a wall, anyway.
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King, I firmly believe that if they could alter the laws they will try. The criminals will ignore the laws as they do now, but good people will be for ed by the values leftists don't have to comply
You may be right that they will not achieve it, but it will only be because people like many who populate this board fight without pause.
I wish intelligent compromise and reasoned actions could be taken, but I return to my earlier post, the left cannot be trusted. Further it has no honor, they will lie, they will go back on their word, they will not faithfully enforce laws. It is sad for me to know we have come to this, but there it is.
The wall may be an illusion, but so is the current administration's adherence to their sworn duty to adhere to the law, much less enforce it properly.
The current immigration system was created by the Unions and Democrats during the Roosevelt administration though amended remains essentially a lottery and luck of relations already here, because of the failure of trust in DC and trust in America for the DC establishment. A point system managed system to the economic benefit of our country similar to Australia, New Zealand, and your country. We cannot get there as long as the left continues identity politics and immigration as a vote getting issue and screams of racism.
The left has created an intellectually dishonest set of talking points which only serves to spark the unreasoned emotional reaction manifested in Trump rhetoric.
Should the US not get a handle on this problem which must include significantly increased security, deportation for many if not most, and no citizenship for those whose arrivals were oillegal, then it is only a matter of time until we are swamped. Then again the socialist party, who survives through identity politics wants that to happen.
If the Federal Government were serious about enforcing the laws on the books, there would be no holdup with respect to processing appeals of NICS denials (a part part of our law practice). The failure to timely process NICS appeals has been an abject disaster and a de fact denial of Second Amendment rights to innocent Americans. When the executive branch gets serious about enforcing and managing the laws already on the books, then we can take the government's constant demands for new laws seriously. Until then, the argument for new laws lacks any indicia of credibility.
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....definitive proof that for all government yapping about reining in guns it will never happen. Same for building a wall. Illusions. A dishonest strategy.... Is this a bad time to ask if hill's severe brain injury will cause her to forget her commitment to making the industry liable for the illegal use of their products? Not likely, eh? Ooops, sorry about that, you were just equivocating about how trampling on a Constitutional Right and campaigning are exactly the same. Hmmm, of the two, which one's the illusion?
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Recommended reading, if for no other reason definitive proof that for all government yapping about reining in guns it will never happen. Same for building a wall. Illusions. A dishonest strategy. Americans love their guns, drugs and cheap labour. Politicians pretend to be committed to keeping them out. Huge amounts of money continue to flow into Mexico. There's no quelling the American appetite for narcotics. Presidents provide an illusion of legality and security to walls and immigration that cannot succeed. Thanks, Jim. They may not be able to "rein in all the guns" for all practical purposes, but they certainly can pass laws that make life miserable for otherwise law abiding citizens. Look at the disaster that happened in New York with the implementation of the Orwellian-named "SAFE" Act. Since 2013, people lost entire retirement accounts worth in collections of antique firearms over bogus legal disputes.
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How did people lose their collections to the government, were they not able to remove them from NY?
I understand they may have lost their right to own it instate, but how did the law take their collection before they could legally dispose of it.
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So, after 48 years can we now state that GCA of 68 is a failure? It has cost precious tax money, and civil liberties, to produce a system that fails to prevent or predict the violent crimes it was supposed to do. All government has ever done is to demand more concessions on civil rights to make an inoperable system worse. Its time to cut our loss and put GCA right next to the Volstead Act in the vault of useless laws.
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