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May be interesting for comparing the proofstamps:

http://www.feine-jagdwaffen.de/Waffengalerie/Archiv/Doppelbuechsen

Search for: Kaletzky (wrong written, but the rifle is true)

By the way, a very fine O/U combination example is here:

https://www.progun.de/de/shop/langwaffen...1&o=preis_d


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Gunwolf

Yeah, no more far fetched than Adolph picking it up on one of his jaunts across the pond and then cobbling the case & accouterments together. I just don't see a hunter in the U.S. of A. seeing any significance of the Habsburg Eagle and if so, someone went to great lengths to deceive?



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Raimey
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Raimey

I do not know when exactly this type of scope mounts was developed, but they are shown in a Springer catalog from 1914, also a list of ca. 30 different scopes to choose from.
Mounting a scope normally would not require reproof. The bases are fixed to the top rib, not to the barrels.

What are the "great lengths to deceive" you were mentioning?

fuhrmann

If the two cases above were fired in this rifle, they don't show drastic expansion, but the photo angle doesn't allow a good view. This is consistent with it being for one of the 11.5mm cartridges with a case length longer than 54mm, but depending on throat a 45-70 may chamber in an 11.5x52R chamber.
Mike

Verbiage from Guns.ru that accompanied the DR.


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Raimey
rse

Moose Snoot of Sweden kindly provided the following:

1860 - a Kalezky aus Wien participates in shooting contest and ends up outside the podium (10), a Schellenberger won. I believe this to be the Johann Kalezky.

1863 � Johann Kaletzki, B�chsenmacher, Wien, Mariahilfer Hauptstra�e No. 15. Patent for a Verbesserung der Z�ndnadelgewehre. 1 year.

1872 � a K. Kalezky, B�chsenmachergehilfe passes in Lungentuberkolose.

1876 � a B�chsenmacher Johann Kaletzky. About a Hoftitel. Additional research is needed here to see if he received his Hoftitel that year. He is at least mentioned under the heading Hoftitel.

1877 � a Kalezky, Amalie, k.k. Hof-B�chsenmachers-Tochter, passes in Lungentuberkolose att the age of 24. Her abode/residence was at Mariahilferstra�e 17.

1881 � Herr Johann Kalezky k,k, Hofb�chsenmacher, Wien, stays at the Gasthof zum goldenen Stern. Unsure as to where this Gasthof is situated.

1888 � Die Jubil�ums-Gewerbe-Ausstellung, Wien. Der Kaiser speaks well of Kalezky�s Gewehre and Franz Pa�ler�s Repetir-Pistolen. Other people of interest at the Ausstellung are Gewehrfabrik Johann Springers Erben and B�chsenmacher A.(nton/Anton) Mulacz, another of our favourite makers.

1888 � �Der Kaiser hat zwei ihm vom Hof-B�chsenmacher Herrn Johann Kalezky in Wien angebotene P�rschstutzen, System Block, angenommen und demselben aus diesem Anlasse eine werthvolle Nadel zukommen lassen.�

1890 � Johann Kalezky's Widow's advert:



1895 � the establishment Hofb�chsenmacher Kalezky Mariahilferstra�e 1B, advertises for a gunsmith who is familiar with Basquille-making.

1898 � Jubil�umsausstellung, Wien. Der Kaiser asks Frau Kalezky if she is running the company after her husband�s death. She replies: �Ja, Majest�t, mit meinem Werkf�hrer, der 27 Jahre im Hause ist.� The Werkf�hrer then asks the Kaiser if he is familiar with their Gewehre to which the Kaiser replies: �Ja, bin sehr zufrieden, shie�en sehr gut.�

1900 � Hofb�chsenmacher Kalezky advertises for a �Kr�ftiger Lehrbursche�. (Mariahilferstra�e 3).

1908 � Hofgewehrlieferanten Hans Kaletsky visits the �Ballfest der Einj�hrig-Freiwilligen vom Train (Wiener Trainregimentes!).

1908 � Hans Kalezky, k. u k Hoflieferant, mit Schwester, Wien stays at Hotel zum goldenen Kreuz. Locale fo hotel needs to be confirmed & also a surprise that he had a sister!

1910 � Jagdausstellung. Hoffirma Johann Kalezkys Wwe, Mariahilferstra�e 3. Hans Kalezky is present. So is the Kaiser.

1912 � Protestversammlung gegen die nieder�sterreichischer Jagdgesetznovelle; a B�chsenmacher Kalezky is mentioned and so is a Kommerzialrat Denk.

1912 � Joh. Kalezky�s Wwe k.u.k Hof-Gewehr-Lieferant adverizes miscellaneous guns. Adress given as Wien, 1., Burgring NR. 1.

1912 � Verband der �sterreichischen B�chsenmacher und Waffenh�ndler. Hans Kaetzky becomes Schriftf�her for the Verband. Obmann is Gustav Springer.

1913 � Joh. Kalezky�s Wwe, Burgring 1. Inhaberin Bertha Kalezky, Kaufmannswitwe, Wien. Hans Kalezky mentioned.

1922 � Joh. Kalezky, Wien, Capistrangasse 5, is mentioned as Generalvertreter for G. Roth�s Jagdpatrone Perfekt. Both �In- u. Ausland�.

1929 � Firma Johann Kalezky, Wien, Burgring Nr. 1. is mentioned in an article under the heading Der beschlagnahmten Sendungen an den F�rsten Starhemberg. Eine bemerkenswerte Feststellungen. Something a bit awry of fishy?

1930 � Joh. Kalezky, Burgring 1, bischer B�chsenmachergewerbe from now on also peddles Jagd- und Sportartikeln und deren Zugeh�r as well as Jagdschmuck.

1931 � B�chsenmacher und Waffenh�ndler Johann Kalezky, Wien, receives some award. B�chsenmacher Franz Denk also mentioned as receiving an award.


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Raimey
rse

Composed info on Johann Kalezky on a DGS BBS thread:

I'd 1st guess the maker is Johann Kalezky of Vienna. He ranks pretty high on my list of makers, but then again so do many others. It would be a delight to see some pics and to determine if the longarm was made inhouse or souced. There may be an article in one of the up-coming GGCA(German Gun Collectors Association - www.germanguns.com ) with some info on Johan Kalezky. There's some speculation that Johann Kalezky was the point source for A. Henry falling block actions within the Austro-Hungarian empire. Your calibre might be 9mm.

Johann Kalezky more than likely was born near Weipert and in guessing that he was typical of gunmakers I'd say he was 23 or 24 years old when he received his master's sheepskin as in 1845 he opened a shop in Vienna(Wien) at Mariahilferstrasse 17. So subtracting 23 or 24 years from 1845 would yield his birth-date. At any rate he continued on until 1889 when the lone bell tolled for Johann and Bertha Kalezky, and maybe Johann Jr.?, took the reins. Johann Kalezky peddled about 100 less than 3000 weapons, with some being sourced in the white from gunmaking centers like Suhl and I’d guess Weipert. A guess on his yearly production would be around 2 dozen to 3 dozen per year. He was in an excellent location near the capital building and in 1872 had the privilege of making an example for the Austrian Emperor. He also made examples for Franz Joseph and Franz Ferdinand, whose collection may have been dispersed during WWI. Johann Kalezky’s firm continued until 1937 when it closed it doors.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=204060&page=1

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Raimey
rse

1930 Johann Kalezky Wien 1 Burgring


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Raimey
rse

Lets contribute to cut this Gordic-Kalezky-knot:
1. The case is to the best of my knowledge NOT of Kalezky origin.
His cases have some distinctive features which are not present here.
2. Vienna proofhouse records DO exist, but due to decision of
the ministry-legal-counsel NO access for private persons like me. The owner could try via a gunmaker/diplomatic channel to get an answer on the record contents.
3. The 4-digit proof nr of 1900 has another shape/form than the one from 1909 (speculation on preproof by the barrelmaker...?)
4. the 1909 nr. : If you get as answer from the proofhouse
"lancaster 11,6", it would not cut the knot (lancaster is a generic middle-european name for hammergun/rifle, 11,6 the calibre ...)
5.To my knowledge Kalezky records do not exist, the last entry I have seen with his name has been an address in Vienna ca 1942, I do not know if he was killed in the WWII bombing raids onto Vienna or how he was lost.
6. Its fun to see my DGJ-article on Kalezky being transposed to an Russian forum and now translated back from Russian to English.
7. Correct would be to make a chamber cast and ask a gunmaker
if he can recommend reproof or better keep it as it is as an objet-de-vitrine.
Felix Neuberger
PS: If genuine Kalezky product then there should be
a 4-digit serial nr, in case year 1900 prevails it could be 20xx,
in case of year 1909 it could be 273x.

Thanks again to Moose Snoot of Sweden for trolling the bowels of the internet for info. Possibly we should don him k.k. Moose Snoot of Sweden for his contributions?


Joseph Kolezky, gewes. B�chsnemacher....



Herr Johann Koletzky, k.k. Hof-B�chsenmacher, mit Gattin, aus Wien.


Felix:

I'm not sure I follow you on the "1900" stamp: are you saying it is not a proofhouse stamp? Could the dies have been worn and were changed out by 1909?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse