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[quote=L. Brown]Very nice score, Ted.
As you know, the French like slings on shotguns. that is because of their automatic response to drop whatever firearm they may be carrying and raise their hands whenever someone raises their voice.....the sling has saved many a French SxS from unnecessary damage, so much so that they even built some SxSs with the sling built right in..... Yes, Manufrance is known for retractable butt stock sling. I have seen something similar on American made .22 rifle made for Sears or Montgomery ward. I suspect the gun was made by Stevens. I remember playing with one. My friend thought it was neat and actually bought the gun because of that retractable sling.
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Ted, it is looking great!
Not all French "dropped" guns and raised their hands. 1.15 million Frenchmen were killed in combat during the 4 years WWI was fought on or near their soil. When the Germans advanced on Paris, French soldiers were taken to the front in taxi-cabs and stalled the German advance. Yes, the Doughboys helped turn the tide and made the difference, but the suffering in deaths by the French combatants was staggering compared with the deaths of 53,000 Americans. Growing up in the shadow of WWII, I always heard the dropped once and never fired reference attributed to the Italian Army. That and their tanks had one speed forward and 4 in reverse. Gil Look at what they were facing also in WW2. We like to make fun of them but if you study that war there wasn't an army on the planet that could stop the German army in 1939, 1940 or 1941. It was only attrition and shear exhaustion that eventually stopped them.
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Ted, it is looking great!
Not all French "dropped" guns and raised their hands. 1.15 million Frenchmen were killed in combat during the 4 years WWI was fought on or near their soil. When the Germans advanced on Paris, French soldiers were taken to the front in taxi-cabs and stalled the German advance. Yes, the Doughboys helped turn the tide and made the difference, but the suffering in deaths by the French combatants was staggering compared with the deaths of 53,000 Americans. Growing up in the shadow of WWII, I always heard the dropped once and never fired reference attributed to the Italian Army. That and their tanks had one speed forward and 4 in reverse. Gil Look at what they were facing also in WW2. We like to make fun of them but if you study that war there wasn't an army on the planet that could stop the German army in 1939, 1940 or 1941. It was only attrition and shear exhaustion that eventually stopped them. But the jokes will continue anyway. Truth told the Italians are worse than the French yet nobody makes fun of their military. Soviet Union could not cope well with Germany due to thinning out of leadership ranks by Stalin. If Hitler could get his military on US soil in 1939 it would take at least few months for him to win. It is very large country to take.
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History revision is a guessing game. Most of the French troop for WWII were never born. French birth rates have been much lower than other European countries dating back to before WWI. Troops in WWII would have been born mostly 1910-1929/30. The French lacked sheer male numbers. Their fortification line was one hope to offset that short coming. But every military is better at refitting the last war in hind sight than correctly predicting the next one. Had the German gone to a trench warfare plan instead of a war of movement the French were well equipped to withstand the Germans for a very long time. But the French never got the email that the Germans were not going to play that game.
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Because the gun went to Geoffroy, and, Geoffroy is, well, Geoffroy, the fitting for the sling in the stock now looks like this:  Nice little piece of work. He did a nice job and worked to match the engraving on the triggerguard:  Best, Ted
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History revision is a guessing game. Most of the French troop for WWII were never born. French birth rates have been much lower than other European countries dating back to before WWI. Troops in WWII would have been born mostly 1910-1929/30. The French lacked sheer male numbers. Their fortification line was one hope to offset that short coming. But every military is better at refitting the last war in hind sight than correctly predicting the next one. Had the German gone to a trench warfare plan instead of a war of movement the French were well equipped to withstand the Germans for a very long time. But the French never got the email that the Germans were not going to play that game. It does not matter what you can win militarily if you can not hold what you took. Let us finish this conversation on the point that we will not be defeated militarily. Nobody is going to invade us militarily, but we will be defeated economically. The truth is we should have demilitarized after the fall of the Soviet Union and secured our borders after there was amnesty for 3 million or 3.5 million. Sadly we are now on our way to financial collapse. Now let us get back to some of the best game guns ever made French guns.
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Because the gun went to Geoffroy, and, Geoffroy is, well, Geoffroy, the fitting for the sling in the stock now looks like this: Nice little piece of work. He did a nice job and worked to match the engraving on the triggerguard: Best, Ted Wow! Typical Geoffroy.  Gil
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It is a sad thing, but, putting together all the pieces to pull off getting a bretelle Darne sling fitted to a 28 gauge Darne is extremely difficult from this point in time.
Contacts in France, or, someone who visits regularly, and has connections to the St. Etienne gun industry, and the ability to source new and used components, and fit it all up to the gun. Being a 28 gauge made this that much tougher.
I'm going to guess this won't be happening again, but, if you are thinking of doing the same, Geoffroy is your man. Fair warning, he might say no, depending on what you have.
You guys with a Darne 12, with the fitting in the stock, but, no sling, I'm going to suggest the time to try is right now.
Best,
Ted
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Yes, Manufrance is known for retractable butt stock sling. I have seen something similar on American made .22 rifle made for Sears or Montgomery ward. I suspect the gun was made by Stevens. I remember playing with one. My friend thought it was neat and actually bought the gun because of that retractable sling.
Jag, the American .22 rifle with the retractable sling was a High Standard semi-auto. I bought one to use the sling on my Manufrance Ideal. Appears to be the same mechanism but has a red nylon sling rather than leather. The .22 is a good gun and worked out better than the sling did...Geo
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most darnes need a sling...probably could also use a good plaster cast also  ....
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