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craigd #461724 11/09/16 03:43 PM
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Thank you for recognizing that gays, minorities and the poor will not be affected by the new administration or Speaker Ryan. Any other concerns?


Why would I GAF about them? I'm a White American, The Forgotten Man who has been repressed and exploited for the last buncha decades. Gonna be a New World!! WE RULE NOW!!!!


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I'am White too and realized if Hillary won I would live in country where I was a second-class citizen. I found that idea unacceptable.

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No Worries, Now, BRO!! We gottem on the RUN!!!


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Originally Posted By: Gt1900
Not disagreeing. Just stating the facts. The scary thing for the GOP to realize is they have only won 1 popular vote in about 30 years. That should be disconcerting for future elections.


Uhm, not really:

Kennedy 49.7 Nixon 49.5
Johnson 61.1 Goldwater 38.7
Nixon 43.4 Humphries 42.4
Nixon 60.2 McGovern 37.2
Carter 50.0 Ford 48.0
Reagan 50.5 Carter 41.0
Reagan 58.8 Mondale 40.6
Bush 53.4 Dukakis 45.7
Clinton 43.0 Bush 37.5 (Ross Perot 20%)
Clinton 49.2 Dole 40.7
Bush 47.9 Gore 48.4
Bush 50.7 Kerry 48.3
Obama 52.9 McCain 45.7
Obama 51.1 Romney 47.2
Trump 47.5 Clinton 47.7

In the last 32 years there have been three outright popular vote wins by the Republicans, 2 statistical ties between Dems and the GOP and one anomalous result, the first Clinton win, largely acknowledged that Clinton won because the right was split between Bush and Perot. That leaves just four clear wins for the Democrats.

Hardly one win in 30 years.

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We thought that Brexit was a bit special and not before time,,,,,the USA has just done it on an unimaginable scale !! WELL DONE !!


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Originally Posted By: Gt1900
Not disagreeing. Just stating the facts. The scary thing for the GOP to realize is they have only won 1 popular vote in about 30 years. That should be disconcerting for future elections.


Uhm, not really:

Kennedy 49.7 Nixon 49.5
Johnson 61.1 Goldwater 38.7
Nixon 43.4 Humphries 42.4
Nixon 60.2 McGovern 37.2
Carter 50.0 Ford 48.0
Reagan 50.5 Carter 41.0
Reagan 58.8 Mondale 40.6
Bush 53.4 Dukakis 45.7
Clinton 43.0 Bush 37.5 (Ross Perot 20%)
Clinton 49.2 Dole 40.7
Bush 47.9 Gore 48.4
Bush 50.7 Kerry 48.3
Obama 52.9 McCain 45.7
Obama 51.1 Romney 47.2
Trump 47.5 Clinton 47.7

In the last 32 years there have been three outright popular vote wins by the Republicans, 2 statistical ties between Dems and the GOP and one anomalous result, the first Clinton win, largely acknowledged that Clinton won because the right was split between Bush and Perot. That leaves just four clear wins for the Democrats.

Hardly one win in 30 years.


Um really! Bush beat Dukakis in 1988, since that time the GOP has won only 1 popular vote. In other words, the GOP has won only 1 popular vote in about 30 years. Two if you can't 1988. Since that time they have won only 1 popular vote. That should be disconcerting.

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Incredible. Sabato completely blew it.

Essentially nobody saw this coming, certainly I didn't.

I've always been a one issue voter, since my main pass time is shooting. This outcome bodes well for the SCOTUS for some time to come.

McConnell has a realistic outlook on the future, and I expect him to be a moderator of sorts.

CNN coverage of the election was superb. I don't watch much TV news, and when I do I generally avoid CNN since their leaning is only too obvious being a Turner/Time Warner operation... but...

John King was really on his game, and they covered the ELECTION and did not simply rehash the campaign. Every time I switched to Fox, there was some idiot woman talking. A pretty woman, they all are, but that's not ELECTION coverage. Hats off to CNN.


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Originally Posted By: Gt1900
....the GOP....in about 30 years....

....have won only 1 popular vote. That should be disconcerting.

Neither party even campaigns in California, it's a gimme. How about, spot 'em 55 electoral votes, and then look at the popular vote for the rest of the country. That's better than twenty percent of the way to 270, from just one state, actually a few counties. Disconcerting?

How come the winner beat out romney in the Black and Latino vote percentages? Why isn't this a learning experience with room to improve?

All hill had to do was have a pulse, and she had a constituency. Their was only one person in this world who put together the right message balance and delivery to discourage her supporters. It would be disconcerting if future candidates acted like the previous two, more passion about being anti President elect than their own presidential ambitions.

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GT1900, While I stand by what I wrote, I think the real issue is not that the GOP is in trouble, as you are suggesting, but that both parties, as representatives of the Washington elite status quo, are in trouble.

That's why the ultimate Democratic outsider, Bernie Saunders, nearly beat the ultimate insider, Hillary Clinton, who had the entire backing of the DNC, in the primaries.

It is why Trump beat all comers in the Republican primaries despite being written off as a joke at every turn and why Trump beat the strongest political machine, the Clintons, in history, in the general election.

Both parties, as they have been constituted, for the last 60 years, are in trouble. They both need to do a much better job of listening to and representing their constituents.


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[quote=Shotgunjones]Incredible. Sabato completely blew it.

Essentially nobody saw this coming, certainly I didn't.

I've always been a one issue voter, since my main pass time is shooting. This outcome bodes well for the SCOTUS for some time to come.

McConnell has a realistic outlook on the future, and I expect him to be a moderator of sorts.



I got it wrong along with many, many people who make a good living predicting such things. Film maker Michael Moore had it right all along including exact reason(s) he would win.


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