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Once more, typical statist, sociopathic religious dogma. To characterize those who vote against collectivist tyranny and the incremental movement toward totalitarianism as "selfish" is anti-intellectual boobery to the extreme. To have a crackpot of a sociopath Red, not even a citizen of America, continually insult, demonize, and demean Americans when they exercise a desire to limit their government is contemptible, though predictable.

Well Sralin, "ya'all can just go an' fudge yourself".

Craig, as often happens, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. It seems you're saying we benefit from having the Electoral College replace the will of the people. I don't believe that for a moment. And, my objection has nothing to do with this election. There is simply no longer any justification for not deciding all elections on the basis of a vote tally. If there were no Electoral College, how would that lead to Californians deciding where I can hunt? Slow down; take a deep breath. Your skipping too many steps for folks to follow.

Bill, It's called the tyranny of the majority and the electoral college exists to mitigate that tyranny.

It goes both ways.....every time it's close, it's possible the vote count will or won't go your way. Had Trump won the popular and Hills the College, pretty sure you guys would be defending the Electoral College about now. And you are correct, it was close.

I think the predictions of the demise of the Dems and their socialist philosophy of late, stem more from the Republican strength at the state levels in this election cycle along with the opportunity Trump will have in nominating Supreme Court Justices during his term. It's not so much about either the popular vote count or the electoral college.

I'm well over the shock, craig, and accept it with equanimity because, as I've said often here, America for all its hubris and aberrations always get it right over time. Trump is learning his limits and mollifying the Tea Party.

We'll wait for determination of legacies. Obama has a leg up by removing US pariah status from the world, a significant achievement in itself, and was no part of the country's embarrassment and humiliation in electing his successor.

Inheriting two wars and a world recession largely of US making, faced with a dysfunctional government pledged to stop his every move, he introduced as first black president the beginning of universal healthcare.

The Obama family in the White House showed the world what America really is, a country of toleration and respect for others moving on to lift the burden of once the world's biggest slaveowner. With luck it will see the opportunities of cooperation instead of cutting each others' throats.

The Obama administration has been marred by debt, scandals, foreign policy failures, and an overall fragmentation of this country. He has plunged the United States into an abyss of economic debt that will create generations of American servitude paying off his wayward spending endeavors. The Red, White and Blue�s epitaph will read like a litany of failures perpetrated on both the American people and the world by this president:
Scandals:

IRS targets Obama�s enemies
Benghazi
Spying on the AP
The ATF �Fast and Furious� scheme
Sebelius demands payment
The Pigford Agriculture Department Scandal
The General Services Administration Las Vegas Spending Spree.
Veterans Affairs in Disney World and neglecting vets
Solyndra
New Black Panthers Voter Intimidation
The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson�s computer
Obama�s LIES about the Affordable Care Act
�I�ll Pass My Own Laws�
NSA Spying on American People

Foreign Policy

Lack of solidarity with Israel
Disaster with the Arab Spring
Crimea
Leaving Iraq too soon and letting ISIS take over
Handling of Syrian Red Line
Calling ISIS �JV�
Failing to Recognize ISIS as a Radical (or Devout) Muslim Movement
Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits
Lack of Confidence by NATO nations
Signing a Disastrous Nuclear Deal with the Mullahs of Ira
Paid $5 Billion & Released 5 Taliban Prisoners For Deserter Bergdahl
Waging war by attacking Libya without Congressional approval
Allowed the building of Chinese bases in the South China Sea and off the coast of Somalia at the entrance to the gulf of Aden

14. Paying ransom to Iranian for hostages- and using foreign currency in unmarked plane
15. Lying about paying ransom (which media ignored!)

16. Pays tribute to Japanese at Hiroshima on US Memorial Day

17. Obama trashed America 18 times on Asian Tour
Domestic Policy

Failure to secure the Border
Illegals bringing guns, drug and diseases through the southern border
Bowe Bergdahl swap
Passing on the keystone pipeline
9 Trillion dollars more in debt
Vast expansion of government
Racial Division at all-time high
Inviting Bomb Boy Ahmed to White House
Disrespect for Cops
Failed economic stimulus plan
Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannical rule
China overtook America as world�s largest economy
Double Downgrade
Housing policies failed to stop foreclosures
Price of healthcare has drastically risen for those purchasing it
Education policies failed to curb college costs
Highest percentage of Americans on Food Stamps and Medicaid
Record 92,898,000 Americans over 16 years not working
Lowest Labor Force participation rate of 62.7%
Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism
Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016
Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to Czar Positions
Mismanagement and cover up of Terrorist shootings in San Bernardino, California
Mismanagement of Gulf Oil Spill
Disastrous Vetting Process of �Immigrants� from Muslim Nations
Refusing to Listen to CIA/FBI that there is no way to properly vet certain immigrants from Muslim nations

27. Fort Hood Shooting
28. Colorado EPA Disaster
29. Veto of 911 Crime Bill- which was overturned
30. Worst economic recovery since the depression with anemic GDP numbers
31[b]. Over 94 million Americans out of the workforce[/b]
32. Solyndra

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.


Over the past eight years, especially during times when President Obama was not on the ballot, Democrats have seen major electoral setbacks at both the state and federal level.

Sean Trende and David Byler calculated that the Republican Party is now in the strongest position it has been in 80 years.

"Obama and the political structure of America have been left standing � but nearly 1,000 Democratic officeholders have been defeated," noted one New York Post columnist the week before the election.


"Democrats hope a good showing on Tuesday will win back five Senate seats and maybe 15 House seats, but relative to their party's losses since 2009, that's like a bandage on an amputation."

Below, in no particular order, are four areas where the Democratic Party has suffered setbacks since the election of Obama.

Congress:

In 2009, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. For the 111th Congress, which went from 2009 to 2011, the Democrats had 257 members in the House of Representatives and 57 members in the Senate.

By the 2016 election, the Democrats had their numbers in the House reduced to 188 members, with them picking up five seats to bump up to 193 by next year.

And while the 2016 election saw Democrats get 2 extra seats in the Senate, at a total of 48, it still leaves them without the majority they once had.

Governors

Democrats have 10 fewer governorships in 2016 than they did in 2008, reducing their total number of state executives from 28 to 18.

A couple of instances they lost a governor's mansion only to gain it back later. This was the case for Virginia, they lost the governorship in 2009 when Republican Bob McDonnell won only to reclaim it in 2012 when Democrat Terry McAuliffe was elected.

In a Politico story published in February of 2015, Democratic governors attributed the losses experienced in 2014 specifically to a few factors, including "bad luck, bad timing and an unpopular president."

"Republicans now control 31 governor's mansions, their highest total since 1999 and three shy of their high-water mark since the turn of the 20th Century," reported Politico last year.

"There are only 18 Democratic governors left across the nation, and the survivors have some theories about why Democrats have been swept out of statehouses all over the country in recent years. But none of them are about the substance of the party's policies.

State Legislatures

In 2008, Democrats controlled both chambers of 27 state legislatures and had split control over 8 other state legislatures, while Republicans controlled both chambers of 14 state legislatures.

By 2015, the number of Democratically-controlled state legislators had plummeted to 11 while the Republicans' number increased to 30 state legislatures.

Nebraska, the only state with a one-house legislature, has as of November 2016 a Republican majority, with the GOP holding 35 seats versus 12 seats for Democrats and 2 seats for other political designations.

In a 2015 piece, the Pew Research Center's "Fact Tank" blog noted that Republican gains in 2010 were not excluded to Congress.

"The Republicans' big 2010 gains weren't just in Congress: They picked up nearly 700 legislative seats and won full control of 25 state legislatures (up from 14), putting them in a strong position to influence post-census redistricting," noted Pew.

"Although they weren't able to retake the White House in 2012, the party extended and solidified its congressional and legislative gains in the 2014 midterm elections."

The State Trifecta !

A state trifecta control is when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of a state legislator and the governorship.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, in early 2009 Democrats had 17 state trifectas while Republicans had nine.

However, by 2016 the number of state trifectas the Democrats held was reduced to six: California, Delaware, Hawaii, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Washington State. Republicans now have 24, plus Nebraska's unicameral legislature and governorship, with North Carolina still undecided.

In the 2016 election, Republicans were able to add four more state governments � Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, and New Hampshire � to their list of state trifectas.

"While Democrats picked up a trifecta in one state, they lost trifectas in two others," reported the New York Times last week.

"The losses are a harsh rebuke to President Obama's call in October for Democrats to make gains in state legislatures when it appeared that Donald J. Trump's campaign was stumbling."

Dave's notion that every event that occurs during a particular administration and which he objects to is the fault of that President is the kind of logic that makes Trump out to be a model citizen.

"Accept it with equanimity", eh Sralin? Let's look at the sociopathic contradictions just within this post. As well as the distortions of what has truly happened.

Removing US pariah status? What fantasy! We were never the parish, except to sociopathic totalitarians like yourself. Obama has weakened America in the eyes of the world, by design. His abandonment of our allies such as Egypt, Israel, etc. and his strategy of disengagement and actually supporting our enemies has caused chaos around the world.

Obama did inherit two wars, and essentially surrendered in both. His actions in Iraq created Isis. As well as emboldened Islamists word wide. The recession was intentionally created by Democrat Party policies, as the housing collaspe brought down the economy. None of the policies he wanted would have improved the economy, but were designed to increase Democrat power. Obama care is the same way, not intended to improve healthcare, but to facilitate a statist control of the American citizenery.

Obama really showed what sociopathic intolerance is, the relentless desire to subjugate others, and a willingness to bring all aspects of the federal government to bear against political opponents. And in the absence of legislation, to rule by Fiat in defiance of the Constitution.

Screw your " Slave owner" reference, you old Commie turd, no Americans alive today either were slaves or slaveowners, it's just you always going back to your well of commie mythology in order to degrade America.

Obama may have removed pariah status, although that status has always been debatable. The problem is he replaced (added?) it with impotence and the failure to support allies and secure real benefits for America with his foreign policy.

While Obama was bad domestically, he was a disaster in foreign policy.

Ken the Dems have not been this upset since the Republicans made them give up their slaves !

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...atic_party.html

Have you heard of Josiah Walls or Hiram Rhodes Revels? How about Joseph Hayne Rainey? If not, you�re not alone. I taught history and I never knew half of our nation�s past until I began to re-educate myself by learning from original source materials, rather than modern textbooks written by progressive Democrats with an agend


Clearly, the latter half of the 19th Century, and for much of the early half of the 20th Century, it was the Republican Party that was the party of choice for blacks. How can this be? Because the Republican Party was formed in the late 1850s as an oppositional force to the pro-slavery Democratic Party. Republicans wanted to return to the principles that were originally established in the republic�s founding documents and in doing so became the first party to openly advocated strong civil rights legislation. Voters took notice and in 1860 Abraham Lincoln was elected President along with a Republican Congress. This infuriated the southern Democrats, who soon afterwards left Congress and took their states with them to form what officially became known as The Slaveholding Confederate States of America.

Meanwhile, Republicans pushed full steam ahead. Take, for example, the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution that officially abolished slavery in 1864. Of the 118 Republicans in Congress (House and Senate) at the time, all 118 voted in favor of the legislation, while only 19 of 82 Democrats voted likewise.


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and now