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Oh, that was what Ger posted earlier. So the badge/shield represents the marshalled arms of the Habsburg, Babenberg and Lorraine kin and that is as far as it will take you in determining the family?
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That is what we intended to say. This crest belonged to the ruling house Habsburg-Lothringen. But it was also the official emblem of the Austrian empire, used between 1806 and 1915. As such, it was displayed on countless state offices, agencies, railroads etc etc.. So it will not lead you any further here.
The double crest you showed above was introduced only in 1915, to finnally (and a bit late) include the Hungarian part of the empire.
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Oshans & I will get together in the coming weeks over mate or chimichurri & some grilled meat. Then we'll have additional data. This is not the lock of the subject sporting weapon, but some Kalezky lock image I lifted & for now I can't recall. But does anyone know upon what lock this platform is based? Cheers, Raimey rse
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I'm going to make an outlandish correlation & say the lock is the pictured Joh. Kalezky Witwe. Cheers, Raimey rse
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For those following along, I haven't forgotten about the Gordian-Kalezky Knot, but just have been busy; therefore, a pox on me. But hopefully late this week additional info will be acquired & I will get it posted.
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After some preliminary measurements, 11.6X65R it would appear it may approach the 450 2 1/2" 10,8mm by E. Joris & Co. @ the Liege proof facility. Then in 1900 it passed the Wien proof facility @ 11,5mm and again in 1909 @ 11,6mm. More to come. Cheers, Raimey rse
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11,6X65R - 450 2 1/2" Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey, Rim thickness & base taper will tell the tale. Measure the depth of the rim recess in the extractor & several measurement of base dia. starting in front of rim then in .25" increments. The D case will have most of its taper in the 1st 3/4" in front of the rim then taper becomes more gradual over the remaining length. These were thin rim cases (Note EXP39 pic provided above)
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On the average, 2.5mm on the rim thickness there M4. I'll attempt to obtain some diameter data but then again all I made was a wax cast, which has some ebb & flow, and even though we may narrow the pool of cartridges to a few, as you & Ford note, cobble together some cases & call it what you fancy.
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Raimey rse
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