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I don't have the means to consider Tony's wares, but I still learn a lot from most every topic here. To Stan's point, I have/had been mostly a mediocre shot but loving the sport, often comparing myself to the priest/Rev. in Spirit of St. Louis who couldn't fly worth a flip but sure loved taking lessons. Recently had the opportunity to purchase a used Lincoln thrower. 2650.00 with 150 ft. release cord. Could have found another of my lovely French Ideals for not much more than that. But I wanted to improve, and the machine has helped my recall and realize what my friends and shooting mentors have been trying to teach me all these years. So here's to shooting well, all guns great and small.
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Stan, why do you shoot your Perazzi at Clays and shoot your Fox HE at ducks? It would seem your logic would tell you to be shooting ducks with your Perazzi as you'd be hitting more, thus killing more.
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If most casual shooters would spend more of their money on practicing and shells, and maybe some lessons from a pro in the beginning, and less of it on ridiculous priced guns, they would be much more effective at shooting flying. The men/women who are not pros, who shoot $15K (and up) guns, and are really good shots, can be counted on your fingers and toes. My mantra was always to shoot a shotgun until I truly believed it was a reason I was not shooting a higher score. Now that that gun is a Perazzi (used when I bought it years ago), I doubt I will ever be able to honestly make that claim again.
I watch men pull out H & H, Purdey, Boss and Woodward guns and go out and shoot a 45/100 and then do the same thing for years, and I wonder how they can feel good about it. I know we are all different but I see a lot of people at vintage S x S shoots like this, and I just cannot get my head around it. Improvement is not beyond the capabilities of anyone who wants it badly enough. I really wish someone could help me understand why looking good makes someone feel better about themselves than hitting what they shoot at. Is just hearing the gun go bang enough? I'm as far from an elitist as anyone you would ever meet, and I miss more than I'd like ........ but I never stop striving to get better.
I just guess I'd rather hit something with a BSS than miss with a Woodward, though I understand fully that the two are not totally incompatible.
SRH I look at it the total opposite. The guy with a really nice gun that shoots 45/100 would do that with any gun and probably doesn't really care a lot about his scores but enjoys owning and more important shooting his high end gun. Everyone one would love to be a top shooter but some guys just don't have it in them and if they go out and shoot a 60/100. They are very happy. Just as happy as the guy who ran 100 straight when he normally shoot a 95. Any of the top shooters could shoot the scores they do with let say a Beretta or Browning instead of there Kreigoff or Kolar. They are good shooters and have shot there gun enough to be totally comfortable with it and practice a lot. With that said my skeet gun is a Beretta 686. Even if I switched to a Kreigoff or Kolar I would still shoot my 94/100. But if I could afford a really nice K-80 I would own one just because I like them. The guys that you mentioned that shoot Purdey's, H&H,Boss etc probably just like them and good for them for shooting them. What I find hard to understand is guys that own these guns and never shoot them. Instead just look at them. I do know a few guys you are refering to that are horrible shots but brag or act like they are better than everyone because they have a Kreigoff. Same guys that drive a Range Rover when a Jeep Cherokee would be just as good for them. Its pride in ownership of a piece that represents the highest level of craftsmanship. A lot of automobiles are purchased at outrageous prices to be stored away and look at never to be driven. Same thing. Its yours and your money so do what you want with it.
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I don't have the means to consider Tony's wares, but I still learn a lot from most every topic here. To Stan's point, I have/had been mostly a mediocre shot but loving the sport, often comparing myself to the priest/Rev. in Spirit of St. Louis who couldn't fly worth a flip but sure loved taking lessons. Recently had the opportunity to purchase a used Lincoln thrower. 2650.00 with 150 ft. release cord. Could have found another of my lovely French Ideals for not much more than that. But I wanted to improve, and the machine has helped my recall and realize what my friends and shooting mentors have been trying to teach me all these years. So here's to shooting well, all guns great and small. You have the luxury of a location to put that thrower. Helps a lot with those kinds of choices about getting better or not. Not to say one can't without the property but all of us make certain choices in how we organize and prioritize our lives. Some put being a very good shot very high on the list, for others that specific skill is a little further down. That's all. To each their own. I never worry about others' choices....only mine.
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"anyone who is coordinated enough to operate an automobile cannot better themselves from a 45/100 score."
If I had to guess, there are a lot of people out there whose driving is 45/100. Another guess is that they guy shooting 45/100 probably would like to improve his shooting more than the 45/100 driver would like to improve his road skills. Personally, I applaud the guy who loves shooting enough to come out week after week and bear his 45 cheerfully.
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Stan, I understand to my satisfaction what you said: "I really wish someone could help me understand why looking good makes someone feel better about themselves than hitting what they shoot at."
"Looking good" could mean many things: appearing dressed properly for circumstances, in sodden blinds or dry uplands, with or without a dog, or to impress with money and masterworks: hey look, I am what I own. Absurd.
I'd accept a distinguished gun if it didn't draw attention to myself---most I've seen and owned, don't---because a solid majority of my colleagues know respect or looking good can't possibly come from what we own.
I don't know any gun snobs. I can't think of a member with an expressed exaggerated notion of his character or importance because he owns an elegant example of craftsmanship. We know it doesn't make a better shooter.
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Does anyone actually hunt their guns, or is everyone sport shooters? I can't imagine owning a gun I wouldn't take into the field, and I have no idea if 45/100 is good or not. Hell, I'm not even sure what it means. Here's what a I do know, I hunt with some guys who can't hit squat on a range, but good luck out shooting them when it comes to wild birds. People get personal satisfaction from different things. Hitting 100/100 does nothing for me, but I'll brag all day about not losing birds because I hit them squarely. I occasionally hunt with my 870 because it's the gun my dad gave me as a kid, even thought I don't shoot it as well as my doubles. Why? Personal satisfaction. If I had the means to own a high dollar double, yet I didn't shoot it as well as other guns, I'd still hunt with it and not care if I didn't shoot it as well. If someone wants to shoot a $100k shotgun poorely, so what, as long as they enjoy doing what they're doing, who cares?
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I hunt all my guns, I have nothing real fancy, a #1 AYA, 28 gauge, that has been through the grouse woods more time than I can count, it has a few dings and scrapes. But I enjoy the feel and workmanship.
I hunt with a gentleman that hunts grouse with a 20 gauge H&H Royal, and was with him when he fell and broke the stock. He said a couple of choice words headed back to the car and pulled his backup AYA 53E, in 20 gauge. I think I was more so sick about it more than he was.
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Stan, why do you shoot your Perazzi at Clays and shoot your Fox HE at ducks? It would seem your logic would tell you to be shooting ducks with your Perazzi as you'd be hitting more, thus killing more.
Did I ever say I missed a lot with my HE? Where do you get the idea I don't shoot it well? I miss with it, as I do with the MX8, everybody misses. But, I am ever striving to improve. You missed the point I was trying to make, twice. It's not the gun, it's the desire and the determination to do better with the gun you have. My Perazzi is set up for pre-mounted shooting ...... the HE is not. In case you've never shot ducks, pre mounting doesn't work very well. SRH
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Stan, why do you shoot your Perazzi at Clays and shoot your Fox HE at ducks? It would seem your logic would tell you to be shooting ducks with your Perazzi as you'd be hitting more, thus killing more.
Did I ever say I missed a lot with my HE? Where do you get the idea I don't shoot it well? I miss with it, as I do with the MX8, everybody misses. But, I am ever striving to improve. You missed the point I was trying to make, twice. It's not the gun, it's the desire and the determination to do better with the gun you have. My Perazzi is set up for pre-mounted shooting ...... the HE is not. In case you've never shot ducks, pre mounting doesn't work very well. SRH Stan, I'm sure most of us know the more expensive, highly decorated, high quality guns don't make us better shots. I can't speak for other people although I suspect many of us on this site feel this way. I like high quality guns and I like to use them when I can. And that is a different "like" than me liking being a good (read better) shot. Not always but often two completely different things.
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