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#472141 02/12/17 05:11 PM
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Looking at the Hercules and the Skeeter models they appear to be the same gun with differences mostly in stock configuration. Why the disparity in value? Price figures alone gives one the impression they are totally different guns. Is there something I am missing? Did Cooey mfg all these guns or just those for the Canadian market?

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I am not sure on the Hercules, but the Skeet-er is made on a heavy frame for lots of clay bird shooting. Maybe the only gun made like that in it's era. I see upgraded wood on the Skeet-er as well as single trigger and ejector options. Skeet-er was made in 410, 28, 20, 16, and 12 gauge and choked for clay bird shooting.

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I don't understand the Cooey reference in the OP. Did the Canadian gun manufacturer Cooey have some relationship to the US Iver Johnson gun company?...Geo

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Geo.,

My inquiry about Cooey is from seeing posts referencing such. Here is a passage from a couple years back from another forum:

"Iver Johnson had a contract with the H. W .Cooey Machine and Arms Co of Cobourg Ontaro to assemble shotguns starting in 1932 up until at least 1939. Cooey was a Canadian firearms manufacturer in Cobourg Ontario. They were taken over by Winchester in 1961 and Winchester closed the doors in 1979. Both the Iver Johnson Champion and Hercules double barrel shotguns were finished and assembled at the Cooey plant. Living in Canada, I have a few Iver Johnsons that bear the Cobourg stamping. The information regarding the Iver Johnson-Cooey connection was taken from the Cooey book by John Belton."

Now, knowing that everything I read on the internet is gospel, I want to question this passage to test its' authenticity. :-)

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I have seen Iver Johnson Hercules doubles with Canadian stampings, but not a Skeeter. I would guess that is because we are in the US and don't see much Canadian stuff for sale. I know Skeeters have a Deely forend release, and I suspect that the Hercules is a friction fit forend. I may be wrong, so correct me if that is the case.

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Thanks John E for connecting the dots on the Cooey reference. I know nothing about the IJ connection, but Cooey did manufacture some guns under contract with Winchester before being bought out.

I have a Cooey badged model 37 single shot which, appears to have emigrated to the UK at some point. Note the Birmingham proofs marks on this one:



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eightbore,

You are correct that the Skeeter has a Deeley latch, but I believe all Skeeters have ejectors. The Hercules w/ejectors also has a Deeley latch.

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Some Skeet-ers do not have ejectors. Had a two barrel set 12 with extractors.

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Originally Posted By: Daryl Hallquist
Some Skeet-era do not have ejectors. Had a two barrel set 12 with extractors.


That being the case, do the Skeeters with extractors have a friction latch or Deeley?

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I have a Cooey manufactured 20 ga. very low 3 digit ser #, probably first year production. From recollection the 20 ga was not listed in Iver Johnson catalog until about 1922 or 3. So it would appear that Cooey was making the guns prior to the above listed date of 1932.

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