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Nudge #477961 04/16/17 08:36 AM
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It's also fascinating when you consider the specs necessary for lighter barrels and sub gauges. I've done several Heuse Riga-Fils sub gauge sets, the taper and proportional sizes of their 20 and 16 gauge tubes (small scroll 2-iron) are wonderful. It goes equal or more so with small frame Parker sets, and they're even more complicated 3-iron.

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I am glad to see the conversation drifting towards the rolling mills. It was there that the quality materials were selected, organized into determined patterns, and through innumerable heats and rollings were welded and drawn into the ribbands commonly thought of. Rolling mills were highly complex operations from which almost all metal objects began their journey to useful artifacts. And they date back into antiquity, possibly a thousand years or more.


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The original "hand rolled" mill

"The Forge of Vulcan" by Luca Giordano



Then came water powered trip hammers

"Venus at the Forge of Vulcan" Jan Brueghel the Younger of Antwerp, Belgium c. 1605



Right foreground



Still in use in Liege c. 1910



Saugus Iron Works
https://www.nps.gov/sair/learn/historyculture/rolling-and-slitting-mill.htm

Then the man-powered and (later) steam powered rolling machines

Henry Cort's rolling machine, 1783
http://shropshirehistory.com/iron/iron_making.htm

Sheet mills
http://www.metalworkingworldmagazine.com/a-short-sheet-metal-history/

"The Iron Rolling Mill", Adolph Menzel, "Modern Cyclops", 1875



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Whenever I picture Vulcan I think of Oliver Reed in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Uma Thurman played Venus.


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One more from L.C. Smith, an 0 Grade:




Not Washington or American Flag. Looks like window frames.

John

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Possibly a messy Washington John, but I have no clue. I've got it as a No. 2

Dr. Gaddy's "Washington" sample segments


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Monthly Consular and Trade Reports, “Report by Consul Robertson on the Manufacture of Fire-Arms in the District of Verviers and Liege”, 1885
https://books.google.com/books?id=7EhJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA136&lpg
States the lopin was stacked by the barrel maker, then sent to the rolling mill.
Also a report of worker's earnings and cost of materials and rolling.

No doubt generic Damas Crolle was made in big batches by the rolling mills for supply to the many "rough forged tube" and finished barrel makers.

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More information here, and an image of a rolling mill provided by Joe
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=387875&page=all

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Water wheel driven slitting and rolling mill, Sweden, 1734



La Houilles foundry, France: sheet rolling mill powered by a hydraulic wheel. Published in Magasin Pittoresque, Paris, 1850


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W.W. Greener, "Book of Gunnery", 1858
https://books.google.com/books?id=A4TPW796iD8C&pg=PA154


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