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Some pics of my Reilly Serial# 33950 for this thread. Sidelock ejector with 30" steel barrels.... The pin position is different from what is normally seen but I think it is 7 pin.
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================================================================================================== 33950. (early 1896)
O, I got 33950 early on from your DGS 2012 line and it's in the master list on the 3rd page. I'd estimate 33950 was numbered sometime in early 1896 (depending on the month 16 New Oxford closed) although this is a little more problematical than the period 1868-1886 as follows:
Analysis: 26584 is the last SN I've found with Rue Scribe on it, closed Aug 1886. 34723 (My gun) is the last gun found with 16 New Oxford St...closed 1898 (I have not determined the month - will work on that)
In 12 years (say 144 months) from 1886-98 he numbered 8,140 guns about 56 a month - 670 a year if he produced at a steady rate. Yours is 773 numbers before 16 New Oxford Street closed... meaning it should have been numbered about 14 months beforehand.
Here's the problem. EM died in 1890 and his business was taken over presumably by his 19 year old son Charles and/or his wife or partners (unknown). Toby Barclay noted that his 35079 barrels had been proofed before 1896 but the SN indicates it was numbered around 1902. So something seems not quite right business-wise with the firm from this distance and the closure of 16 New Oxford Street itself was an indication business was slowing down. It would be interesting to take a look at your barrel proof marks to see when they were proofed.
Whatever, 33950 is a totally elegant and beautifully proportioned shotgun with tasteful etching. It's what made me put my hand on my 34723 hammer gun at that gun show in 2015 and once I touched it I just couldn't unclench my fist.
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My apologizes for not following up on a posting I made in 2010 and adding some information that may add to your chronological listings.Said posting can be found at this address http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191402&page=allxxxxx - (1880’s?) Name: Not mentioned. Description: E.M.Reilly bar-in wood 12 bore with Whitworth steel barrels circa 1885 with 2 3/4" chambers,30" mod. and full and nitro proofed. It has a large capital "B" in 24 carat gold where the oval Comment: This is Terry Lubinski’s gun…He could add more info including SN, and address on rib, etc. The gun is serial # 303xx and has only the 277 Oxford St. address not the Rue Scribe.What may be helpful is that the original black powder proofs include Not For Ball which should place the gun at 1887 or earlier.The gun is a personal favorite and still performs regular service at sporting clays
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================================================================================================== 303xx (late 1888-1889)
Terry, according to the serial numbers your gun should have been numbered in early 1892. So why the "not for Ball" on the gun when that mark expired in 1887? Toby's gun 35079 had the barrels proofed before 1896 but they weren't mated with a stock/action and numbered until about 1902. So it looks like Reilly had barrels stockpiled waiting for an order. Can you read the proof date on your barrels? I'll check mine on 34723 tonight...I suspect we'll find a pattern.
I'm adding your gun to the new list of SN's above moving it from the "xxx"'s.
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================================================================================================== 15857 (1869)
Beautiful hammergun JB. The tiger striped French Walnut stock reminds me of my own but a deeper color. That is a bargain.
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Terry Buffum, I posted the Reilly SN's you auctioned off that I was able to pull off the internet; SxS40 added several that I did not get that I'll add to my next SN chronological update. But if you have a list of your Reillys, could you check over my list and tell me if any are missing? Also, if you have another JC Reilly as you mentioned, I'd very much like to get its SN and the address off the rib...I don't have a lot of data points from the early years. Thanks:
Reilly's auctioned by Terry that are in the original chronology:
176 (pistols) 13033 14985 15283 15531 18550 - (from an addendum I'm still compiling) 20396 21761 - (from a subsequent list posted in the line) 21883 24354 24850 - (from an addendum not yet posted) 27570 30207 32667 32974 34221 34222 34247 35472 35493
Terry's Reilly's bought by SxS 40 not yet added to the chronological list:
No 7869 - J C Reilly, percussion hammer gun, muzzle loader, 12ga. rib marked J C Reilly New Oxford St. London No 15287 - Jones under lever hammer gun 12ga. rib marked, Oxford St. London No 14985 - Jones under lever hammer gun, 16ga. rib marked, E M Reilly Oxford St. London No 21761 - Woodward snap action with side bolts, quadra bolt? 500 BPE rifle barrels marked E M Reilly New Oxford St. London & Rue Scribe Paris No 22093 - Woodward snap action, 12ga. no rib or barrel markings No 24850 - Back action side lock, hump back, H&H style, 12ga. New barrels by Darlow's of Norwich, marked on rib No 26557 - Jones under lever hammer gun, 20ga. barrels marked, EM. Reilly Gun & Rifle maker, 16 New Oxford St & Rue Scribe Paris
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Argo 44, If you will give me your e-mail address, I will send you the consignment list for Amoskeag. See your PMs.
I'll also get out the two Reillys I still have (and look for others I've tucked away and forgotten) and send the info on them in the next few days.
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I had two images of the Dave Wesbrook photos scanned and reduced for posting. If someone is willing to do that for me, I can email them to you.
My profile has e-mail info.
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Terry, I'll post them. Sending you an email via PM. (I've never heard of someone who's not sure how many Reilly's might still be "tucked away" somewhere. You are a walking encyclopedia.
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