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I think it may be time to simply stop calling it a religion and identifying it for what it truly is, a murderous criminal organization.

I don't care what the lunatic left wants us to believe. Islam has no desire to be inclusive, no desire to assimilate, no sense of tolerance, and is anything but peaceful.

Time and time again the civilized world bends over backwards to be tolerant of the most intolerant. You see what it gets us.

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Tim, I respect and admire the British way of looking at it, punishing the creeps as any other criminals, any colour, any religion, before the courts.

A distinguished Canadian broadcaster said on national radio about 10 years ago the Roman Catholic Church is one of the world's biggest criminal organizations for its abuse of children.

There was no public blowback. No one of right mind would condemn the Church or its faithful parishioners for evil leaders hereabouts or Rome. They go to court like anyone else and take their lumps.

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The Roman Catholic Church is not driving trucks and vans into crowds of innocent people.

The Lutherans are not walking into bars and dining areas slashing and stabbing innocent people.

The Methodists are not detonating home-made suitcase or back-pack bombs at venues.

And it sure wasn't the Mormons who shot up the night club in Orlando, or murdered their co-workers in San Bernardino.

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True, OMW, and we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do. The US for centuries immorally and unconstitutionally abused its black citizens until nearly all citizens were sickened by their actions. I don't recall any religion blamed for the perversion of human rights. I'm as pissed off as you are but won't blame Islam for its extremists. Every country has extremists.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do. The US for centuries immorally and unconstitutionally abused its black citizens until nearly all citizens were sickened by their actions. I don't recall any religion blamed for the perversion of human rights. I'm as pissed off as you are but won't blame Islam for its extremists. Every country has extremists.

Your equivocation and rationalization are worthy of one of the lesser nobel prizes, maybe like the immoral peace one. You're sounding like you are ready to accept some collateral inconvenience streaks in Canada. Here's hoping I'm wrong, but....?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
True, OMW, and we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do. The US for centuries immorally and unconstitutionally abused its black citizens until nearly all citizens were sickened by their actions. I don't recall any religion blamed for the perversion of human rights. I'm as pissed off as you are but won't blame Islam for its extremists. Every country has extremists.


But you should blame Islam, King. Islam has within it's holy texts a call to arms that specifies the extermination, one way or other, of non-believers. There has been no Reformation or Enlightenment, where the vast majority of adherents subscribe to a belief that theologians excised of it's more violent tendencies. The religion and the associated culture calls for a theocracy. The religion calls for the subjugation of women.

I mean, where do you get the idea that a few extremists, a very few, on the fringes of Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc can be compared or equated with the millions and millions of Muslims who support these concepts and who support the attacks on the western world?

This isn't the Costa Nostra,'Ndrangheta or a few bad apples. This is millions and millions of people.

We have had repeated attacks on our way of life for the whole of the 1200 some odd years Islam has been around.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
The US for centuries immorally and unconstitutionally abused its black citizens until nearly all citizens were sickened by their actions.


You know of course that Mauritania officially ended slavery in 1981. And that despite that, slavery is still a problem. Mauritania would be an Islamic nation. ISLAMIC!

Tell me King, what do the countries of the world where slavery is still a problem, have in common? Here's a clue.....ISLAM!

So give up on the misdirect. It is, in fact, white Western men and women, including the US, who have done more to advance human rights, alleviate poverty, spread basic health care and step up when disaster strikes as well as help people throw off the yoke of despotic governments. You may feel guilt over that but it's true.

Additionally it has been the white, Western concept of democratic capitalism that has spread economic success over the last 30 year to the extent that several billion people have been pulled out of abject poverty. Not socialism. How's Venezuela doing?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
True, OMW, and we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do.


We don't condemn those religions because when "some" of their adherents do something abhorrent, it is clear to all they represent a tiny minority of adherents and the rest of the religion finds their behavior repugnant. While the majority of Muslims around the world cheer the attacks on the West.


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Forget it CB, Brown is obviously a confirmed liberal acolyte troll, and a (IMHO) demented old fool.
The sooner he meets with Lenny, the better.

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True, OMW, and we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do.


We don't condemn those religions because when "some" of their adherents do something abhorrent, it is clear to all they represent a tiny minority of adherents and the rest of the religion finds their behavior repugnant. While the majority of Muslims around the world cheer the attacks on the West.


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Borrowing a page from the old "Seig Heil, Adolph playbook" there, Joe. Exterminating any existing race or religious group from the face of the world is not the way to end the terrorism sadly too often seen today-- All acts of terrorism are cowardly, children, women, older people, the suicide bombers could care less. I have a Muslim doctor for a neighbor, and he is cardiac specialist. If I got hit by the "widow-maker" the last thing I would care about is his religious beliefs--


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