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18766, 18954 (both 1874)



Krakow, Many thanks. I added your two guns when you first sent me a note about a year ago. You'll see them in the master list. I'm sure people (me) would love to see photos of them. If you could post photos...all would benefit.
-- go to photobucket.com
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And I was in Rome in October 1978 when Pope JP-II was invested...and was living there when he died in April 2005. Great great man.

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Any idea what the last year of manufacture was for a Reilly shotgun?


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1918-22 - Charles Riggs

Edit: This post has been extensively changed; and as it was posted at the time, is wrong on several points. Riggs did not take over the Reilly name until August 1922. See P.20 etc.

Take a look at the 3rd post on page one which has a highly detailed history of the Reilly's from 1780 to 1904, much of it never published before. Here is the history of Reilly from 1904 on...cribbed mostly from TRW999 on this site; I have not looked at newspaper ads etc. to verify this; the internet can be an endless circle of disinformation but I trust TRW999's research:

In 1903 277 Oxford Street was vacated prior to re-building, and the firm was recorded at 295 Oxford Street.

From 1903 to 1912 the firm was at 295 Oxford Street.

In 1912 E M Reilly & Co Ltd was recorded at 13 High Street, Marylebone. The directors of this limited company were H Reilly and C W Roberts (see page 16 for information about the Reilly bankruptcy).

In 1917 (edit: actually 1922) the company ( E M Reilly) was bought by Charles Riggs & Co. Per TRW999 It is believed Charles Riggs worked for James Kerr (& Co) of London (see also London Armoury Co). Charles Riggs & Co ceased trading in 1966. (No further info on the source of this information) (it would be interesting to research the fate of Reilly's two sons after this sale...probably worked as gunsmiths or gun repairers someplace).
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=333352

Riggs was located at 107 Bishopsgate, London E3. He stamped his names on a lot of guns as “C. Riggs” apparently including BSA SMLE Enfields per the following.



Charles Riggs were a sporting outfitters, that sold, "Everything for Sport and the Sportsman" as well as motors and motorcycles. They were main dealers for everything BSA and had a large stand at Bisley. A catalog exists from the 1920’s with pictures of the shop front with all the BSA advertising, the gun department, works and offices and even the managing director.

Such was Reilly’s prestige that Riggs continued to use the Reilly name right up until its own demise. In a 1924 catalog, an ‘introduction’ by Riggs for Reilly guns states “Reilly needs no comment here, having been established for almost 100 years and it’s reputation for craftsmanship and value is a household word.” It is widely reported that Riggs ceased trading in 1966.

Per Gun Digest 2014, today, the E.M. Reilly name is owned by Charlie Pfleer of Hill Rod & Gun, in Bozeman, Montana, a dealer in vintage double guns and guns cases.

Per another site, the name “E M Reilly & Company Gun Manufacturers Ltd” is now owned by Newton & Co (Chartered Accountants) Ranmore House 19 Ranmore Road, Dorking Surrey, RH4 1HE; Tel: 01306 884208; newton-co@tiscali.co.uk. The business is described as “dormant.”

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1922 + - Charles Riggs Reilly numbering system - 6 digits



As I mentioned in the main line...the last Reilly serial number I can date with some confidence is 35678 which would have been numbered at 295 Oxford Street, after 277 was closed, the last marker date. So 35678 was probably dated between 1905-1911? (note: I cannot confirm this; this number came from a site looking for a missing pair - thus I assume the pair is still at large; but I have not seen the rib or the actual SN).

I have found this gun with an E.M Reilly name and a six digit serial number, seeming to indicate that whomever began numbering the newer Reilly's bumped the succession up by 100,000+. You'd think that if the Reilly name were placed on mass produced guns, there'd be a lot more around. (Note: I've been unable to access the close-up photos of this gun and thus cannot verify the serial number etc.).

140451
Name: E.M. REILLY & Co., LONDON
Description: E. M. Reilly, 16g. with nice long 30" barrels
Comment: Steel barrels, 2 1/2. 30” Barrels, 6 lbs, 5 oz. Where did that SN come from?
http://www.vintagedoubles.com/catalog/?keywords=REILLY

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While I'm about it, here are some not previously posted Reilly serial numbers to take a look at. See Page one for SN 0-25,000; page 3 for 25,000-35700. There are some beautiful Reilly's here. Still researching. I just went through French sites and added several guns as follows:

Xxxxx
Name: J.C. REILLY, 316 HIGH HOLBORN LONDON
Description: A 10-BORE PERCUSSION DOUBLE-BARRELLED WILDFOWLING-GUN, no visible serial number, circa 1845, with twist-iron 36in. re-browned barrels, the top-rib signed 'J.C. REILLY, 316 HIGH HOLBORN LONDON', bead fore-sight, scroll engraved rib-end at breech, scroll engraved 'plugs', engraved top-tang, borderline and scroll engraved bar-action locks signed 'REILLY', scroll engraved dolphin-headed hammers, walnut half-stock chequered at the wrist, iron furniture (heel-plate corroded) and brass mounted mahogany ramrod
.....Comment:
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/j.c.-reilly,-london-a-10-bore-percussion-double-b-531-c-0de80dba2f

7201. **???**
Name: Joseph Charles Reilly, 502 New Oxford Street, London
Description: A mid 19th Century single barrel percussion action gun, by Joseph Charles Reilly, 502 New Oxford Street, London, numbered 7201, the muzzle loading barrel holding brass mounted ebony ramrod under, signed to top and lockplate, engraved steel mounts with feather scrolls to walnut butt and stock, in original mahogany fitted case with maker's label to inner lid; two Sykes patent shot flasks, one with embossed leather bag; one Reilly shot tin; and other fittings. Hammer Price: £700.00
.....Comment: June 2016 auction; muzzle loader. Its been assumed that EM Reilly began consecutive SN beginning at 8,400 when they moved to 502 New Oxford Street and this is born out by labels and serial numbers. However, If this SN is correct, it may mean that EM Reilly began serial numbering his wares beginning at SN 8,400 upon arriving at 502 while JC Reilly kept the old numbering system or began anew at around 7,000, separating their production to some extent. This JC Reilly has the 502 address meaning post 1847 but the number just doesn't fit the Reilly progression. This is not clear - did JC number guns on his own? Or is the entry wrong? - more examples are needed..
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/aucti...20-a61700c0a9c0


10670
Name: REILLY, 502 NEW OXFORD STREET, LONDON
Description: E.M. Reilly percussion double rifle in its makers case
.....Comment: Damascus barrels; no mention of caliber. Muzzle loader; beautiful work.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100838077

11xxx ?? (take a look at this 1850's "Puff the Magic Dragon" aka "Spooky")
Name: E.M. REILLY, 502 NEW OXFORD STREET, LONDON (on case Reilly & Co., 502 New Oxford Street, London).
Description: A rare cased four barreled percussion gun by Reilly, dating: mid-19th Century, provenance: London. Round, smooth barrels; the upper ones are 11 mm cal.
.....Comment: No SN. 4 (Four!!) Beautiful Damascus barrels. Muzzle loader. Looks to be late 1850’s; “EM” is clearly on the rib. "Reilly London" on the side plates. Can't figure out how the four hammers work with two triggers (looks like you pull the trigger...recock the hammer, flip over a hammer extension and pull it again). As such I’d estimate the SN should be around 11200). (It would be nice to look at the gun or to have the auction house post a SN).
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-...42-c-a92474cb0a
.....Comment: the label in the case is unique (haven't seen the like). It uses "Reilly" not "EM" (though the gun has EM on the rib) and has the 502 address. It has two medals, "Exposition Medal London" and "Prize Medal Paris" (can't read the dates - might refer to his stand at the London Fair 1851 and at Paris in 1855). Sanscrit writing on the label... and there is a French phrase "Fusils a bascule" on the label. The gun is amazing. Take a look.




10700-14000. ????
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., LONDON
Description: 8 Gauge, single shot, center break, underleaver; Hammer gun; A classic Reilly 8 Bore, with all original furniture and damascus barrel; this is truly something special for wildfowlers interested in using a classic design. Damascus barrel 34”, 9 lbs 10 oz; Chamber length 3 1/4”.
.....Comment: This an awesome cannon of a gun. No rebounding hammers; no Paris address. I’d estimate by appearances it would be 1860-64 (after Reilly started using EM on his guns). SN should be between 10500-14000. (If anyone can find out who bought it, I’d welcome having the SN).
https://www.guntrader.uk/dealers/central...160622150501002

10600-15600
Name: E.M Reilly & Co., London
Description: 4 bore belted ball hammer percussion rifle muzzle loader. Tapered octagon twist bbl is mounted with one standing leaf rear, and “certifiable antique elephant ivory” blade front sight. Top flat is engraved “E. M. Reilly & Co. London”. Bottom flat is stamped with Birmingham black powder proof. Case hardened patent breech is engraved with large open scroll. Case hardened breech iron with integral fence is engraved with large shaded scroll. Large bar action lockplate is mounted with tall, round bodied, slightly serpentine hammer. Hammer and lockplate are engraved with more large open scroll. “E. M. Reilly & Co” is on front portion of plate. Trigger plate is mounted with germanic type double set triggers, and trigger must be set before lock can be cocked. Trigger guard with squared bow has shell finial, and is also scroll engraved. Full length stock with swan-necked butt, is of indeterminate tropical wood (restocked in South Africa?); blued steel buttplate. Stock features large germanic style swept shadow line left hand cheekpiece. A hand forged ramrod is held by single plain pipe. Weight: 16 lbs. 6 oz.
.....Comment: Holy cow..What a thumb sized load of lead. No way to identify the date other than after 1859 (when EM appeared on ribs) and before 1868 (when Rue Scribe appeared). SN should be between 10600 and 15600.
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2347-391/


109xx ??
Name: E.M REILLY & CO, LONDON?
Description: 16 bore by E.M Reilly. Estimated 1855 (by the auction house). 6 1/2 lbs, 29 3/4” damascus barrels. Underleaver centerbreak. 2 1/2 chambers. (no SN published).
.....Comment: (From appearances, believe the date should be 1859 because of the “E.M.” on the rib. “EM” was added to guns beginning around 1859 - SN 11651; although I’ve found a couple of guns, 10,621 (I'm not quite sure I believe this) & 11227, which might have “E.M.” on their ribs)(see main list on 1st page).
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/e-m-reilly-co-pin-fire-16-bore-gauge-side-by-side/Shotguns/903733?op=photos


(1)3514
Name: Reilly, 502 New Oxford Street, London.
Description: Double muzzle loading shotgun, 27” Damascus barrels with ramrod; 6 lbs, 15 Oz. Double trigger. C1850. Case in original mahogany case with Reilly trade label. Barrels marked 13 bore. SN is allegedly "3514".
….Comment: Reilly made odd gauges - see the Australian ad from 1866 (Historical post) advertising 12, 15, 17 and 24 bore pin-fires. However this serial cannot be correct with that address. I suspect there’s a “1” in front of it. 13514 would be late 1862/early 1863.
https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns-black-powder/reilly/percussion/12-gauge/170610144659005


17612
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., OXFORD STREET,
Description: Chiens extérieurs, deux coups, calibre 12-65. Canons damas juxtaposés de 76 cm. Bascule, platines et chiens gravés de rinceaux. Ouverture par clé devant pontet. Crosse en noyer quadrillé de 37,5 cm. Avec pièce de pouce en or chiffrée “JL” sous couronne. N°17612
.....Comment: Sold at an auction in Cannes, 23 Juillet 2016. EM Reilly hammer gun, underlever. SN would indicate it was number around 1872.
https://www.auction.fr/_fr/lot/fusil-de-...83#.WTXwCRiZPMU

20125
Name: E.M REILLY & Co…….
Description: Lot n° 363 - Réf. 1101431; Fusil REILLY cal. 12 N°20125 concurrent Purdey de 1875 à 1884 avec sa Valise.
.....Comment: Reilly 12 gauge shotgun, SN 20125; Located next to Purdy from 1875-1884; with its case. (No further info). 20125 would have both the London and Paris address on the rib. SN would indicate it was numbered about Spring 1876.
http://www.cappelaere-prunaux.com/index.php?page=009&NbPage=20&IdPage=19&num_vente=110

20467
Name: EM Reilly & Co, Oxford Street London & Rue Scribe Paris
Description: damascus barrelled, 30", 12g, side lever hammer gun; From its condition, I suspect the gun may have spent some time resting in a gun room for many years before resurfacing. Recently reproofed (2 3/4", nitro)
.....Comment: Gun posted on this board by “Irrational.” I estimated that the gun was made (numbered) in Autumn 1876, possibly September/October.
[img]http://thumbsnap.com/2uJCbX4V[/img]

21339 (second of a pair)
Name: E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London
Description: 12-bore hammer gun. Engraved '2' on the rib and triggerguard tang, Jones patent rotary-underlever, rebounding sidelocks, best foliate-scroll engraving, well-figured stock with recoil-pad, the damascus barrels with game-rib. Weight 6lb. 13oz., 15in. pull (14½in stock), 30in. barrels, both approx. I.C., 2½in. chambers, London nitro proof.
…..Comment: Based on serial number likely numbered in 1878.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21659/lot/53/

21761
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., NEW OXFORD STREET, LONDON & RUE SCRIBE, PARIS
Description: E M Reilly double rifle for me. It is a hammer gun
.....Comment: Purdey under bolts and dual side bolts. chambered for 500 BPE. HWK’s gun from this board; he bought several of Terry Buffum’s guns. (I estimate that it was numbered in 1879).

22038
Name: E.M REILLY ?
Description: A very nice antique English Double Barreled Hammer Sporting Gun by Reilly London, No 22038, 12 gauge, length 117 cm,with original leather bag,
.....Comment: see Bolk antiques. cannot find the descriptions or pictures of the actual gun. This description is from the google search only.
www.belgiumantiques.com.

22077
Name:
Description: Hammerless underlever 12 guage; Damascus barrels; Whitworth patent.
.....Comment: Located in Mexico. Beautiful work - check out the photos
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/berettaman7/Reilly1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/berettaman7/Reilly3.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/berettaman7/Reilly4.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/berettaman7/Reilly6.jpg
https://www.mexicoarmado.com/archive/index.php/t-52866.html

25572
Name: E.M. Reilly, 16 New Oxford Street, London and Paris
Description: E.M. Reilly .450 BPE; Good to find condition. Three proof marks - London provisional proof since 1856; Crown over interconnect GP; London definitive black power proof; and the crown over V since 1670 London view mark. Purchased in Spain by a relative in 1950’s. 10 lbs, 28” barrel, .450 caliber; gold inlay - E.M Reilly, London and Paris, “To their majesties the kings of Spain and Portugal” on top of the barrel; Double hammer. Three sights. COC 9 under the barrel; SN 25,572. Fancy scroll work.
.....Comment: Hammer gun, underlever. SN would place it about 1884
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/what-is-it-and-when-was-it-made.671624/

27377
Name: Not Mentioned.
Description: Not mentioned.
.....Comment: I was asked by a member on this board located in California for the estimated age of the SN. No mention of the gun. Estimate it was that it was made/numbered o/a Nov 1887. No further into available.

27854
Name: Not Mentioned.
Description: Not mentioned.
.....Comment: I was asked by a member on this board located in California for the estimated age of the SN. No mention of the gun. Estimate it was that it was made/numbered o/a Nov 1887. No further into available.

285xx ??
Name: E.M REILLY & Co, 277 Oxford Street, London.
Description: Boxlock by EM Reilly. Built on a Westley Richards action with the WR patented top lever and dolls head. Lovely Damascus tubes. Nice wood. Scroll engraved. Ejector. Intercepting sears. Original black powder proof. Number 2 of a pair. Action flats marked “Deeley ejector patent 427” (1880?) and “Anson & Deeley patent 6265 (about 1887?)
.....Comment: No SN provided. Gun was in Norway. 277 Oxford Street would be after 1881 when Oxford St. was renumbered; no Paris address would be after Aug 1886. Say numbered around 1890 - SN about 28,500?
https://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=15506

303xx
Name: E.M. REILLY, 277 OXFORD ST. LONDON
Description: E.M.Reilly bar-in wood 12 bore with Whitworth steel barrels circa 1885 with 2 3/4" chambers, 30" mod. and full and nitro proofed. It has a large capital "B" in 24 carat gold where the oval would normally be and was purported to have belonged to the Duke of Bedford,who was an avid pigeon shot.
.....Comment: (underlever). This is Terry Lubzinski’s gun…Terry states per below that it has "NOT FOR BALL" on the barrels, indicating barrels proofed 1887 or earlier. However the SN indicates it may have been numbered in early 1892. Apparently Reilly had barrels stockpiled and proofed for stock. (to be checked out)
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191402&page=all

32971
Name: E.M Reilly & Co,, 16 New Oxford Street, London
Description: 30" barrels with no chokes designed for ball or shot. Bores show moderate pitting and have 2 1/2" chambers. Action is engraved in English rose and scroll. Locks up tight and on face with all numbers matching. LOP is 14 1/8" to the horn buttplate. Drop is 1 1/2" and 2 1/2". Flip up sight for use with the ball.
Comments: Numbered around 1895
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/656130120

33269
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., OXFORD ST., LONDON
Description: A fine double barrelled breech loading gun by E. M. Reilly & Co, dating: 1875-1890 London. Round, smooth (medium signs of use inside)
Damascus, 12 gauge barrels, rib provided with a signature 'E. M. REILLY & Co OXFORD ST. LONDON', front sight; tang engraved with floral motifs, lever; backward spring locks signed 'E. M. REILLY & CO LONDON' and finely engraved with floral motifs, briar root stock with checkered grip and palm rest, mounts decorated en suite. Serial number '33269'.
length 113 cm.
.....Comment: March, 2017 auction. SN would indicated is was numbered somewhere close to 1895-6.
https://www.auction.fr/_fr/lot/a-fine-do...65#.WRST2BiZPMU

33619
Name: (no name on rib since it was rebarreled)
Description: Sidelock SxS now with steel barrels, sleeved by Westley Richards 50 years ago; 28” Barrels; Stock:14 “; Chokes:1/2 & FullTrigger:2
…..Comment: Per SN the gun should have been numbered around 1896.
https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/reilly-em

34330
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., OXFORD STREET,
Description: Très fin Fusil E.M. REILLY & Co cal.410 (n°34330) à chiens extérieurs et percussion centrale. Ouverture par clé serpent latérale. Canons juxtaposés de 66 cm. Crosse anglaise en beau noyer
....Comment: Very fine rifle EM REILLY & CO; 410 hammer gun - center fire. Opens by lateral key. Double barrel - 26”. The serial number would put it close to 1897-8.
http://www.coutaubegarie.com/html/fiche....amp;aff=&r=



34478
Name: E.M REILLY, LONDON
Description: E.M. Reilly of London 12g. with lovely 30" nitro proofed Damascus barrels and cased
.....Comment: Box lock; Damascus, 30” barrels; 6lbs, 13 oz. Per the serial number probably numbered in 1897 or 98.
http://www.vintagedoubles.com/catalog/?keywords=REILLY

34xxx ??
Name: E.M. Reilly (rest of the address not stated)
Description: SxS 12 bore 1898 sidelock ejector. Restocked 1975;
reproofed 1975.
…..Comment: Cannot identify a serial number from the pics. an
1898 Reilly should be around SN 34700. It could have either 16
New Oxford Street or 277 New Oxford Street.
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Xxxxx
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., NEW OXFORD STREET & RUE SCRIBE PARIS
Description: Carabine-Express Reilly, à percussion centrale, chiens extérieurs. 2 coups, calibre « 500 », extracteur. Canons juxtaposés, en damas tabac, de 66 cm, marqué sur la bande « E.M. Reilly & Co New Oxford Street London & Rue Scribe Paris ». Bascule, platines signées « E.M. Reilly & Co London » et chiens finement gravés de rinceaux feuillagés, jaspés. Double détentes. Crosse demi-pistolet, à joue, en noyer de 37 cm, en partie quadrillé. Dans une valise recouverte de cuir décoré de cloutage en laiton, garni à l’intérieur de feutre vert.
.....Comment: Sold for 1200 euros 23 Nov 2007. This is a 500 express SxS rifle hammer gun. Barrels are Damascuss, 26”. Case color. No serial number. Unfortunately, the best it can be dated with this limited data is after the opening of Rue Scribe and before its closing between Feb 1868-Aug 1886.
http://fraysse.net/listings/carabine-exp...-coups-calibre/

Xxxxx
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., 16 NEW OXFORD STREET, LONDON
Description: Fusil de chasse EM Reilly, à percussion centrale, chiens extérieurs. 2 coups, calibre 410, extracteur. Canons juxtaposés de 66 cm, marqué sur la bande « EM Reilly & C° 16 New Oxford St London ». Bascule et platines arrières signées « EM Reilly &C° », gravées de rinceaux feuillagés. Clef d'ouverture sur le coté gauche. Crosse en noyer de 36 cm, en partie quadrillé. Poids : 1,890 kg.
.....Comment: EM Reilly 410 shotgun. 26” barrels. Hammer gu. Top key breaks left. Weight (an astonishing 4 lbs 2 oz.). This gun might be identical to 34330 above. Address of 16 New Oxford Street would put it after the renumbering of Oxford Street - post January 1882 and without Rue Scribe likely between 1886 and 1898. Can’t say more without a serial number or other info.
http://www.alliance-encheres.com/fr/lot.php?idvente=650&idlot=148121

Xxxxx
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., OXFORD STREET,
Description: Prestigieuse maison londonienne du XIX°, ce type de verrouillage était leur signature sur les modèles artisanaux prestigieux. Maison créée à Londre en 1847 et installée au 502 New Oxford Street, par père et fils Reilly. En 1859 J.C Reilly devient Reilly & Co et ouvre une seconde adresse au 315 Oxford Street, dans les anciens locaux de Joseph Manton, à côté à James Purdey. En 1869 une nouvelle adresse s"ouvre, cette fois ci à Paris, au 2 Rue Scribe.ccCette adresse française sera fermé en 1872. En 1884, Reilly de retour en France, s’installera au 29 rue du Faubourg St Honoré. Cette dernière adresse fermera en 1898.
Cet exemplaire, en très très bel état, date d'entre 1869 et 1872. En calibre 12, chose rare à cette époque, il est équipé d'autant plus rares canons de 76 cm.
.....Comment: 2 1/2. 30” Damascus barrels. Front side lock w/exterior hammers. Description in French is fraught with errors, especially the history of Reilly. It claims the gun dates between 1869 and 1872. However, it gives no SN or address on the rib of the gun, thus this cannot be confirmed.
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusil-REILLY-Co-...em-3743065.html

Xxxxx
Name: E.M REILLY & Co., 277 OXFORD STREET,
Description: Fusil de chasse à platines Reilly. 2 coups, calibre 12/65, éjecteurs. Canons juxtaposés de 76 cm,marqué sur la bande " E.M. Reilly & Co 277 Oxford Street London ". Chokes droit : lisse,. 729, épaisseur. 30 ; gauche : ¾,. 728, épaisseur. 31. Bascule et platines signées " E.M. Reilly & Co ", gravées de rinceaux feuillagés. Double détentes. Sûreté automatique. Crosse en noyer de 38,5 cm, avec rallonge de 3,5 cm, en partie quadrillé. 3,256 kg (fort avantage à droite)
....Comment: Auction in Paris; sold for 2,000 Euros. 12 gauge, 2 1/2”. 30” barrels. Sidelock. double triggers; automatic safety. Weighs 7 lbs 3oz. Without additional info, the gun can only be dated after the numbering change on New Oxford street…post January 1882.
http://www.millon-associes.com/html/fich...mp;aff=3&r=

140451
Name: E.M Reilly, London
Description: A 16 bore side by side box lock shotgun by E. M. Reilly, Serial No. 140451, 29.5ins blued steel barrels, top rib engraved "E.M. Reilly, London", bright steel lock with minimal decoration, walnut stock and fore end with chequered grip, 47ins overall. 6 lbs, 5 oz.
….Commment: Gun was numbered after the takeover of the company by Charles Riggs in 1917. I have no idea on dating these guns throught SN sequence because of lack of records.
https://www.thecanterburyauctiongalleries.com/Lot/?sale=FA081215&lot=640&id=32651

http://www.vintagedoubles.com/catalog/?keywords=REILLY

150570
Name: E.M Reilly & Co., London
Description: E.M. Reilly, 12 ga. Boxlock non-ejector game gun. 28" barrels, 2-1/2" chambers. Stock probably re-finished at some time, wood flush with metal. Splinter foreend with ebony or horn (?) insert. Choked Cylinder and Modified. Modest hand cut engraving, nearly all of the case color present. Barrels most likely re-blacked at some time. Rib engraved "E.M. Reilly, London". Barrels have Birmingham proofs. Action floor plate turning plum. 6# 12 oz, 14-3/4" LOP, 1-5/8" DAC, 2-5/8" DAH, slight cast off for right hand.
Comments: Appears to be a gun built after the takeover of the company by Charles Riggs in 1917.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/657819226

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Hi Argo,

I am attempting to establish the manufacture date of ser. no. 24850, as being before 1898. Any help would be appreciated.

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24850 (Late 1882)



SXS, I don't have your gun in the master list. We like to see pics and obtain some additional info for historical purposes if possible. Does your gun have "Rue Scribe" or Paris on the rib?

Per the above chronology and serial number list, I'd estimate 24850 to have been numbered between November 1883 and February 1884.

Analysis or how you can use those serial number lists to date your gun:
— 15270 is the first Paris address on a rib I've found; he opened Rue Scribe in early Feb 1868 (see the History chronology - 3rd post on this line).
— 26584 is the last gun I've found with a Paris address; he closed Rue Scribe in August 1886.

Between Feb 68 and Aug 86 (222 months) he numbered about 11,200 guns; that would be about 50+ numbered guns a month at a steady rate (and it obviously fluctuated).(on reflection this production rate stayed pretty steady from 1868 to 1898 - perhaps this was the maximum he could produce?)..say 620 a year.

So just assuming this is correct, your gun would be about the 9,600th numbered gun produced after he opened Rue Scribe… 192 months after Feb 1868 = 16 years. So I’d estimate it to be have been made in Feb-March 1884...counting forward from the 1868 marker date.

You can also count backward from the August 1886 marker date. 26584 is the last gun numbered before the close of Rue Scribe, August 1886. Your gun was the 1,734th gun numbered before the close of Rue Scribe - at 50 a month = about 34 months. August 1886 minus thirty four months would put it in Nov/Dec 1883.

To check further...look at the patents on your gun. It may have the following:
1863 - Patent: 'Purdey Bolt' patent no. 1104
1864 - Patent: 'Scott Spindle' patent no. 2752
1872 - Patent: Anson's fore-end fastener patent no. 3791
1874 - Patent: Needham patented a hammerless, barrel-cocking gun which was also the first ejector in 1874.
1875 - Patent: W.M. Scott's patent 3223
1875 - Patent: Anson & Deely patent; the first hammerless gun with top lever.
1878 - Patent: Mills 3rd bite patent no 4980
1878 - Patent: Patent Number 761 was recorded by William Middleditch Scott and Thomas Baker

It should not have the later patents seen on Reilly's such as:
1889 - Patent; Southgate lockwork, ejector and interceptor sear patent no 12314
1893 - Patent; Southgate's ejector trip patent no 8239

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And Skeetz, Thanks for the reference. Re the first link, please check the above postings (second page) on this line: Here is what Toby Barclay had to say about 35079:

"Argo44, I sold 35079 a few years back but checked my listing and the address was 277 Oxford Street. However the proof marks showed the gun was probably PROOFED pre-1896 so maybe made for stock and then finished and numbered accordingly.... Congratulations for having put this information together."

And here was my response:

"Thanks Toby - I've fixed 35079 on the list. It's interesting that the barrels were proofed pre-1896; Per the serial number you'd think it should have been numbered/finished about 1901-02 or so, depending on how many guns Reilly was selling (per a later post below, it looks as if he were selling about 130 per year from 1898-1903). If Reilly stockpiled barrels and actions, maybe that was how they were able to respond to orders with alacrity.
"I also wonder if Reilly started falling on hard times about this time. EM had died and he was highly respected apparently and quite a marketing genius. There are a number of SN's in the 35000's per above which were matched pair double-guns, which would seem to indicate not everything was going right (did Reilly's sons start pillaging its stocks to create "matched pairs?).
"Sales of numbered guns had declined from an average of 650/year to 130/yr. And I can't find any number above 35631 (listed as a matched pair above)(was this a sale? two for the price of one?).
"Well, the industry was changing; it must have been hard to compete with the factories. Damascus barrels were oh so 19th century. (and there was a smear campaign being waged against them which continues to this day). A way of life was ending."

And re the second link, If you read through the historical post (1st page, 3rd post on this line) and the other postings including the serial number chronology on this line, I modestly believe you'll find that this line has the most comprehensive information available on Reilly's anywhere and has corrected errors that have been in print for decades.

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Thank you to skeettx for the response, and especially to Argo44 for all the time spent tabulated all this information.

This has been a great help in determining specifics on a manufacturer, that has previously had little information to draw from.


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