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Whatever others do or have done, James, it's not reasonable to equate the actions of jihadists with the values of the Islamic community as a whole.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Whatever others do or have done, James, it's not reasonable to equate the actions of jihadists with the values of the Islamic community as a whole.


But that's exactly what I'm suggesting is reasonable. There is plenty of evidence, in public opinion polls, in the Koran and in widespread anecdotally reported reaction across the Muslim world by journalists from every news gathering organization. You are just choosing to not face it, to wish for something different.

My question to you King would be what does it take to get you to see what is plain to those of us who started, not from a position of unwavering belief in what should be, but an open mind as to what is?


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Whatever others do or have done, James, it's not reasonable to equate the actions of jihadists with the values of the Islamic community as a whole.

Well, it looks there are only two groups, the others and the islamic community. Sad, that the islamic community is unwilling to join the others, even if just for some superficial show.

Since you insist that they be carved out with special privilege, and they are not of the 'others', aren't jihadists part of the 'islamic community as a whole'? Of course their values could be spun as different, but it seems you're laying the responsibility of community behavior at the foot of just one group. Why are they doing such a poor job of it, or are they?

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Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
I think it may be time to simply stop calling it a religion and identifying it for what it truly is, a murderous criminal organization.

I don't care what the lunatic left wants us to believe. Islam has no desire to be inclusive, no desire to assimilate, no sense of tolerance, and is anything but peaceful.

Time and time again the civilized world bends over backwards to be tolerant of the most intolerant. You see what it gets us.


The so called Islamic religion should not receive protection by our US Constitution...

Freedom of Religion means just what it implies Freedom to believe in Religion or Freedom to not.

The Muslim so called faith doesn't allow for Freedom of Religion....convert or die.

This fight needs to go to the US Supreme Court.

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There are 1.7 billion of 'them' CB. You and the boys better get started. I hope you are the first one to take action, and prove that your not all talk and no action. Start with your closest neighbor. Go ahead CB do it. Oh, and start forcing your kids and grand kids to take action too.

Well we all know you do not have the moral conscience to 'actually' take action CB, because we all know you really don't agree with some here.


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james and craigd, these fanatics know they can't change the world with hunting knives and sacks of nuts and bolts and explosives. They're trying to destabilize the West's institutions, our democratic values of moderation and human rights.

From some responses here it appears a few of us are swallowing the jihadist strategy. It's not surprising. Countries often decide freely to smash their governments, start all over again, and end up with an authoritarian thug.

Reason usually prevails.The US dismantled the Weathermen in the 60s without fuss. Canada same time impulsively invoked the War Measures Act, rooting hundreds of citizens from their homes in the night, during the Quebec crisis.

Keep cool. Germany is the moral and muscle of Europe today. It was the last country under an authoritarian thug to try to rid the world of a religious faith by gas, garrotting, meat hooks, executions and buried alive.

Y'know, like some are advocating here.

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What some here are advocating is the abolishment of a mid evil cult hiding behind our constitution.

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There may not be any real anserwers to this problem but one thing I am certain of is that sitting around a camp fire, toasting marshmallows and singing kumbaya is not one of them which means the entire liberal side of our country will be of no help. People who say we should consider anything from the attackers viewpoint are part of the problem not any part of the solution.

It just may be hard line Muslims will never fit in anywhere they are not in total control. If their primary goal is the spread of Islam, by force if need be, they will never become part of any country they migrate to other than as invaders. If you have a group of immigrants who refuse to assemulate and fit into the country they are immigrating into you can not allow them free access to your country. Instead of religion of Islam substitute cannibalism as the driving force of a group of immigrants and see how people feel about open borders. Extreme positions which will not change after migration should disqualify anyone from being allowed to come into a country. You can't eat my family or attempt to kill them if they fail to bend to your religion. Close the borders if you must but protect your people.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....these fanatics know they can't change the world with hunting knives and sacks of nuts and bolts and explosives. They're trying to destabilize the West's institutions, our democratic values of moderation and human rights.

From some responses here it appears a few of us are swallowing the jihadist strategy. It's not surprising....

....Keep cool. Germany is the moral and muscle of Europe today....

A page or two back, I was wondering if you would accept the current trend of euro slam-n-hack in Canada in the name of progress. Apparently, yes?

As echoed in these hallowed chambers before, these folks are always 'known to authorities'. In the blink of an eye, their 'network' is arrested, after the fact. Why not violate their rights and harass them, and their buddies, ahead of time. What good is a jihadist if they splash their face on the news and whine about racism, like a snowflake activist?

Take an example such as berkley vs. Ohio State. The first is letting their 'students' wreck probably millions of dollars of property, while the other calmly told their 'protesters' that they would be arrested and expelled for breaking their student code of conduct and the law. Where do you think the next cupcakes for progress are being weaned? Just kidding, they'll always be linked to the teat.

You did notice germany's morals are wagging the dog. It's sad, eh? Of anyone, you must be aware that germany just assumed the roll of world, not just european, leader? Isn't that a slight against the last US fellow who thuggishly invoked race to insulate himself against questions that climate change, and not isolate criminality, cause horrendous atrocities against innocents. Maybe, you're both wrong?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
james and craigd, these fanatics know they can't change the world with hunting knives and sacks of nuts and bolts and explosives. They're trying to destabilize the West's institutions, our democratic values of moderation and human rights.

From some responses here it appears a few of us are swallowing the jihadist strategy. It's not surprising. Countries often decide freely to smash their governments, start all over again, and end up with an authoritarian thug.

Reason usually prevails.The US dismantled the Weathermen in the 60s without fuss. Canada same time impulsively invoked the War Measures Act, rooting hundreds of citizens from their homes in the night, during the Quebec crisis.

Keep cool. Germany is the moral and muscle of Europe today. It was the last country under an authoritarian thug to try to rid the world of a religious faith by gas, garrotting, meat hooks, executions and buried alive.

Y'know, like some are advocating here.


King, the Weathermen and the FLQ were small potatoes compared to the Islamists. Not comparable at all. Kind like 20 to 100 people compared to millions. Closing the border is quite different that Hitler's final solution. Executing terrorists is quite different than gassing school girls. As is usually the case, you are grasping at straws if you have to resort to a Nazi comparison.


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