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Other than reading the fine posts, discussions, and threads on this forum in regards to Belgian double manufacturers, I have been trying looking for other locations to glean as much information as I can on this country's gunmakers. I have also attempted to use littlegun.be as a resource, but it is sometimes challenging to find good information on that site. That has been my experience anyways. I know there is a lot of debate in regards to the Belgian makers. Some generalize and say they are all dangerous junk and yet others cite specific makers as fine artisans and craftsman. So, in an attempt to source additional information I have a few specific questions.

1. Is there any good books out there to help me identify the various makers and give me a general idea of their relative quality in build? I'm looking for something in English preferably.

2. I've previously read that Belgians made prior to 1924 should be avoided. Is this a fact? I know most guns should be evaluated based on their individual merits, but lets say in general terms, are Belgian guns made after 1924 safer? How was the general Belgian build in say the 40s, 50s, and 60s?

3. This is a longshot, but would anyone know of a source for some Belgian parts? I'm currently looking for what appears to be the standard Belgian A&D-type push button forend for a 16 gauge field gun I have. I'm also looking for a butt stock for an FN Anson gun in 12. I considered buying some parts guns from Simpsons and attempting to fit the parts myself, but perhaps this is a fools errand.

I hope no one takes my questions as offensive. There's a lot of good information, as well as a lot of opinion based disinformation on the internet and I would like to have a reputable reference to lean upon when making gun buying decisions. My interests are not just in best gun makers, but also the more affordable field guns. Thanks for any help you can offer. Again, I have been reading this forum for years and there is a wealth of knowledge here.

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Someone with a Lebeau Courally might object to that 1924 date.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20l/a%20lebeau%20courally%20gb.htm

If you find a good book in English let me know, will ya? smile

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For modestly priced but well made shotguns you could look at some from Pieper....in particular from the version of Pieper called "Anciens Establishments Pieper". These are SxS game guns.

Henri Pieper was a co-founder and original managing director of FN.


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Hard to go wrong with a Francotte. They're likely the most commonly seen Belgian guns in this country. And they run the gamut, from field grade (Knockabout) to really high grade guns. But all well-made.

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You can get a lot of Belgian gun for the money these days, too. It's a smart idea to be looking at Belgian makers in the current market.


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Originally Posted By: Owenjj3
You can get a lot of Belgian gun for the money these days, too. It's a smart idea to be looking at Belgian makers in the current market.


While that is undoubtedly true, you have to be careful. You can buy a very fine gun from a small Belgian maker who's relatively unknown in this country, maybe half the price of an equivalent British double. Good buy in terms of "gun for the money" . . . but maybe not if and when it comes time to sell it.

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Larry, you pay less now to buy and sell for less in the future. What's the difference? Not all guns are collector guns. Some are meant to be used.

Because I know enough to trust my judgement of the gun itself, rather than depend on the branding, I'd rather pay $900 now and sell it in 10 years for $800 than pay $9000 now and sell it in 10 years for $8000.

Just means I didn't have $8000 tied up.

Please note, prices are exaggerated for emphasis and to help clearly explain the arithmetic.


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Gentlemen,

Thank you for the input. Mr. Owen's comment was the reason for for my interest in the first place.

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Strange confluence of internet events; this thread was a sticky but disappeared into internet space about 3 years ago, and was just rediscovered. Anyway - might be helpful
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=232252

Von Lengerke & Detmold were major Francotte importers and sales records still exist. A research letter can be requested from Bob Beach, who has also graciously provided information on this Forum
http://www.griffinhowe.com/research-main.cfm

VL&D booth at the first annual Sportsmen's Exposition in Madison Square Garden, New York, 1895
Sporting Life
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1895/VOL_25_NO_09/SL2509025.pdf
Forest & Stream
https://books.google.com/books?id=n0IhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA419&lpg

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