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Great pics Drew,
That rib in the first pic is fascinating, the way the stars as well as the crolle "flow". What do you think, a simple 2-iron rod that was somewhat drawn out after twisting?
Regards Ken
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Sure, I considered calling it "Herringbone". But, when I think of a herringbone pattern, I picture a little larger angle, shorter legs, and a fairly defined pattern. I opted for the more descriptive "Flame".
Regards Ken Sorry Ken, I wasn't trying to name it, just using a descriptive term that could lead to why it shows the way it does. In your picture, I couldn't make out a center weld. If so, it may be a two rod bar with opposite twist, or it may be a single rod. Either way, I was just guessing as to what happened at the mill to create the pattern. I also think Doc Drew's first picture of the rib was kind of neat. I see three rods. I think I see the pattern of each rod sort of pinned to the weld lines then a bit more draw towards the center of the rods, the twist area. Interesting pictures guys.
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The rib may also be a 3 Iron "Oxford" ribband, but the scrolls are smaller 4 Iron "Turkish" barrel with "Washington" rib
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Is this "Stub Twist?" Excuse the crappy, grainy, shop picture. These tubes are from a heavy, 10ga Birmingham gun done in Brown & White marked "Laminated Steel". The pattern is somewhat different than regular Twist. The tubes are going through the last stages of pattern management before being polished and lacquered. Any opinions? Regards Ken
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Ken, I am not sure of the twist pattern. It does not look like the "stub" twist on some of my Ithaca guns.
What I do notice is that both barrels have the same Left Hand twist. Most all doubles are mated with one tube LH, one RH.
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Plain Twist/Skelp refinished by Paul Stevens. The thin iron (silver) and steel (brown) alternee are more distinct Black & white Stub Twist refinished by Paul Stevens Stub Twist was made from a 1:1 ratio of horse-nail stubs (iron and the supply of which was inadequate by the 1850s) mixed with chopped coach spring steel, fused ("puddled") into a "bloom of iron", then hammer forged or rolled into a rod. Plain Twist was not "puddled" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BdbWHfJmr2EyvzcPybid7pwlEliH6m9pr1LxMESM3W0/edit
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Thanks, it looks like Plain Twist/Skelp. It's very similar to the Paul Stevens tubes. My picture doesn't do it justice, it also has a very nice patterned rib. Once it's done I'll take out my real photo gear and take it outside for a proper picture.
Regards Ken
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Is anyone familiar with this pattern?
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3 Iron "Oxford". This has a somewhat similar rib but your scrolls are finer; refinished by Paul Stevens Yours would be spectacular in "black & white" but as an English gun "browning" would be most appropriate
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Just an observation reference to Owen's gun. It also has a LH spiral in both tubes. Just doesn't look right to my OCD eyes.
John
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