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Does anyone really believe another law would stop this nonsense? It's already against the law to commit homicide with anything - a truck, bat, knife, or any kind of gun. You liberals can make bump stocks illegal but what's to stop someone from making one like he did. They don't respect the law now, why do you think they're going to just because bump stocks are illegal ? Take your anti gun bullsh## to some other board where it would be appreciated.

Here's a huge problem as I see it jOe. You want a handful of folks, who have feelings about something, take something away rather than going through the legislative process, or amend a 'right'? You've made many comments about the motives of the last administration, so now you want politicians with a motive regulating how you should feel. So, thirty round mags can help fix 'sick in the head', good luck jOe.

well, how about amending the federal firearms act of 1934, to include bump stocks and center fire mags over 10 rounds?


or, do nothing at the federal level and let each state determine what level of gun control is best for them?

This may be radical. I think the shooting was caused by his gambling addiction. He was a highstakes gambler that always figured his odds and did everything to better them. To him, this was the ultimate gamble, shoot everyone up and escape( the sheriff believes he intended to escape). He did everything to better his odds, but didn't calculate that a security guard would arrive so quickly, trapping him inside. He lost the bet, so killed himself( as well as a lot of others). Instead of worrying about the tools, we should study the addiction and how to deal with it.
Mike

In 2008 the Democrats had all three branches including a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and they could have enacted any gun law they wanted subject to court challenges.

They didn't.

The post above by the anti-gunner Ed Good perfectly illustrates why nobody wished to discuss this shooting here until you brought it up jOe. Now you have opened the door for anti-gun trolls like Ed and King Brown to post utter nonsense and falsehoods such as King's oft-repeated claim (lie) that the U.S. has the highest homicide rate of any civilized country.

We law abiding citizens really aren't interested in incrementally giving up our Constitutional Rights to extreme anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats. We know from history that giving up bump stocks or high capacity mags would only be another step to the total bans on firearms that politicians like Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, and Barack Obama want. Hillary and many of these Democrats are already calling for a total ban on semi-automatics. They have no intention of allowing you to keep your stock AR-15, or even your semi-auto pistol. Then, when you foolishly permit them to take those things, and some mad man uses a pump shotgun in a massacre, they will go after those. Hell, they still want bolt action sniper type rifles banned.

KY Jon was the only one so far who brought up what is likely the most important factor in these mass shootings... the use of anti-depressant prescription drugs that have the known side-effect of causing suicidal and homicidal tendencies. A Nevada Senator just confirmed that the Las Vegas shooter was on anti-depressants. A very large percentage of mass murderers have been on these drugs, or had been on them shortly before going on a homicidal spree where they often end up killing themselves too. Did you ever stop to consider that we never heard of these types of mass shootings before the late 1980's when SSRI (Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor)drugs like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, etc. hit the market? You can Google "SSRI drugs mass shootings" for lots in information that the Liberal Left Media and the Pharmaceutical Industry won't talk about.

SSRI Stories-- Anti-Depressant Nightmares

By the way, this would be a very good time to call, write, or e-mail your Congressmen and Senators to remind them that we are not interested in giving up our Constitutional freedom. If we are going to have a discussion of giving up our Civil Rights, consider what would save more lives: giving up bump stocks and high cap magazines, or deporting anyone with Gang affiliations and a criminal background?

And don't forget that the worst mass murder in the U.S. prior to 9-11 was the one where 87 people were killed in 1990 at the Happyland Dance Club in New York City. The murderer killed all of those people with less than $1.00 of gasoline in an intentional arson fire in the stairwell of an unlicensed social club. A determined killer will always find a way. Should we ban gasoline too?

Was it an addiction, a side effect of his Rx or was he mentally ill? We can guess but may never know. He might have intended to "get away" for the short term but all those guns purchased under his own name and with proper paper work were never going to allow him to get away with this. The man hunt would have been extreme and with technology your chances of hiding above ground is near zero long term. Perhaps this was a sick game to him and that would point to mental illness.

I still remember Sarah Brady standing there with that big shit eating grin on her face after the AWB became law saying, 'This is only the beginning."

This is the first time I have ever agreed with Ed Good. Bump Stocks and any other parts that make a semi auto firearm simulate full auto should be considered NFA (National Firearms Act) items & require the same background check & tax stamp as full auto weapons.

It is clear to me that some changes are going to happen re. firearms laws given the political climate & or public opinion. Now is the time for the NRA & other organizations to be working to negotiate with support for reasonable changes such as NFA status for the bump stocks & extreme high capacity magazines in exchange for national concealed carry reciprocity, removal of sound suppressors from NFA status & other items.

I agree that banning or putting bump stocks & extreme high capacity magazines under NFA classification won't make a major difference in mass shootings but it's most likely to happen anyway so we might as well try to get some useful legislation passed along with it. I would hope magazine capacity could be kept @ around 20 rounds as 10 rounds would outlaw lots of popular handguns.

Brittany Man, did you know that Johnathan Browning converted an 1873 Winchester lever action rifle to fire full auto at a cyclic rate of about 600 rounds per minute? He did it in the late 1800's with a very simple mechanism.

Do you seriously think that Hillary Clinton or Chuck Schumer will be willing to negotiate with us and give concealed carry reciprocity or silencers in exchange for bump stocks and magazines over 20 rounds capacity?

It is more frightening to me to see men offering to give up little pieces of their freedoms than it is to think I may be shot by a mass murderer. 80 times as many people died in Chicago during Obama's reign, and the Liberal Left Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop gangbangers. Obama actually granted pardons to drug dealers and put them back on the streets.