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I just aquired another English SxS hammer gun it has Side Clips and dates to 1878.
Just currious as to how early Side Clips were used and if anyone knows what maker first used them ?
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Really one of the more useless things on a gun h0mie - and almost never seen on the English lite gamegun.
I can only think of 'em being used in the worthless sport of the pigeon ring. Spring loaded dizzy birds they were, and at the mercy of squaty rich old men who can no longer make the trek.
Side clips, good for taking a hunks o flesh tho!
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Okay someone express surprise that Lowell doesn't know the answer to Homeless' question.
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Is it not surprising, given the flak that Lowell has been given on various posts recently, that Lowell seems increasingly belligerent?
It is my guess that sideclips were indeed first seen on Pigeon guns or Wildfowling guns and no doubt Greener had something to do with them or if he didn't he would have had something to say about them.Yes in todays age of H&S they do cause issues with lacerating digits.But I confess I like to see them especially when the bolster is adorned with oak leaf engravings.
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Actually fellers, in a pure existential sense, all alive today would have to say I don't know but I've been told . . .--to include the date-spoutingest chronologist or historian. Some of us aren't up to the "Chambers standard" for factoid density per line of print, so please, somebody tell us before we have to go look it up!
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Lowell I'll agree the gun was probably built for the ring...
I'm kind of currious about "the taking hunks flesh out" and the "lacerating of digits"...sounds like am "Urban myth" to me
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I've no mesmerizing tales to dazzle the readers of Motts Corner Rabbit, nor notebooks with page after page of the memoirs of an Ithica screw polisher.
...but knowning the homely state of the working fowler, side clips would be mostly found on pigeon guns.
h0mie - a Merkel did take a bit o me - just a little bit!
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It seems to me that this "strengthning" design came about in the third quarter of the 19th century. It was , possibly, a marketing affectation that was supposed to make the side to side motion of the barrels, at the breech, a thing of the past. Considering that I have never seen a gun that had them be loose in that direction, I think it must have worked.
As the leading edge of the clip must be sharp to fit the barrels, it is easy to see that some have been wounded by them.
I still think that they are attractive and knowing the skill necessary to make them, it should be a sign of an especially fine gun.
But as Russ was wont to say, I could be wrong.
Best,
John
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The bread and butter of the English gun trade were barrels sans the clips. Now if a Boss gamegun really needed side clips, I bet they'd be there. Wouldn't you think?
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Nope the English didn't build guns with side clips, except of course...  Purdey
Boswell
MIDLAND GUN CO
Holland & Holland double rifleI can only think of 'em being used in the worthless sport of the pigeon ring. Spring loaded dizzy birds they were, and at the mercy of squaty rich old men who can no longer make the trek. Pigeon shooting was an event at the 1900 Olympics. The gold medal was won by Leon de Lunden of Belgium. Joe, I have no idea when they came into use, but I will defer to Mr Mann's sage advice on the matter. Pete
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