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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Ted maybe I'm not thinking clearly yet this morning, but the only way I can think of to close the gun without it being cocked is to shoot both barrels and then take it apart with the shells in the barrel, and then put it back together and close it...Geo

Or maybe have the forend fall off.


That's how I store my shotgun. Put snap caps in, pull the triggers then take the forearm off and the barrels. In the trunk case and under the bed.

Its an idiot proof Ithaca so I got no problems. smile


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Originally Posted By: Argo44
Is a Chevy still a Chevy now with all the foreign made parts? Is a Jeep Renegade made in Torino a Jeep? Is a Toyota built in Kentucky a Japanese car? Is a Mercedes built in Tuscaloosa a German car? Is a Maytag built by Whirlpool a "Maytag?" Conundrums.


The answer is an emphatic yes.

Just because the owners of the brand are fine with debasing the brand value, built up over many years, by selling crap with a good name on it, doesn't change it.

Rolls, Ferarri, Patek Philippe, Purdey remain highly valued because they rarely debase their brand name.

Rocketman's valuation charts are wonderful for emphasizing this fact using a real world data base.


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Originally Posted By: treblig1958
Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Ted maybe I'm not thinking clearly yet this morning, but the only way I can think of to close the gun without it being cocked is to shoot both barrels and then take it apart with the shells in the barrel, and then put it back together and close it...Geo

Or maybe have the forend fall off.


That's how I store my shotgun. Put snap caps in, pull the triggers then take the forearm off and the barrels. In the trunk case and under the bed. Its an idiot proof Ithaca so I got no problems. smile



Whew that seems like a lot of work. I like to just leave mine in the case, in the trunk of the car. What could possibly go wrong?


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I would James but, I don't got no trunk. I gots me a pickup truck. smile

But during hunting season it sits leaning up against the wall behind the kitchen door.

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Originally Posted By: treblig1958
I would James but, I don't got no trunk. I got a pickup truck.



Hahahaha! You got me, Treb. The truth is I drive either a Pathfinder SUV or a VW Passat Wagon. No trunk in either but lots of room. laugh


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A Pathfinder? Those are good, very good. smile

They had a race up in Alaska and three out of the six teams were using Pathfinders.

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Rolls was sold to BMW...Bentley to Volkswagen....Alfa Romeo to Fiat...

Point is the world changes. Josef Schrumpeter described the energy of a capitalist system and for the first time in the 1930's defined the driving role of profit motive in innovation...something he called "creative destruction" where the invention of today sows the seeds of it being supplanted tomorrow.

One can always buy historic guns and be content. But you can't pretend that the 1946 Chevy my stepfather drove from Alabama out to California in 1947 was in any way comparable to the cars of today technology wise (except in the sheer tank-like iron it was made out of.)

Guns are a bit different. Like paintings they endure. I love my few turn of the 19th century SxS's and for me they are art (and I'm not a collector). Ya'll know I'm giving my Dau-in-law that 1906 16 ga Gerest-Bertron French SxS. but if you were to buy a gun today on a minimum salary....you'd have to go with something with multiple chokes.

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Originally Posted By: canvasback
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C'mon James... When Coca-Cola came out with the New Coke, everyone knew it wasn't Coke. Even Coca-Cola eventually realized that, but they really hurt their own business trying to fool us.

And we all know that a Lefever Nitro Special ain't really a Lefever, even if it is a solid and serviceable shotgun.

By the way, I've got this Rolex I bought on a street corner in NYC. It says Rolex, so it must be the real deal. I paid $29.00 for it, and it only loses 7 minutes a day. I'll let you have it for $15.00, and you pay the $10.00 to Dave! smile


I'll take the watch Keith, but only if you pay Dave. laugh


Too late James. It's sold, pending funds.

But there's still hope for you. I sold it to Jagermeister on the Layaway plan.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Keith, I think Jägermeister is in fact our own Ed Goode in another persona. He's lonely in S. New Hampshire in a village with 150 people. He needs you to reach out to him regularly.

And now you can start ranting about torched guns. He sells the guns he scrounges from the local community and some are dogs. And he admitted to me he likes to troll. But my dear Keith he does know guns...and he sold me one that was everything as advertised. (and me bidding on that gun was a total accident). And I've heard more interesting posts from him that I have from you in 1000 of your vomits.

Your rants start to take on a tinge of instability. Drink a hot milk.

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Originally Posted By: Argo44
Rolls was sold to BMW...Bentley to Volkswagen....Alfa Romeo to Fiat...

Point is the world changes. Josef Schrumpeter described the energy of a capitalist system and for the first time in the 1930's defined the driving role of profit motive in innovation...something he called "creative destruction" where the invention of today sows the seeds of it being supplanted tomorrow.

One can always buy historic guns and be content. But you can't pretend that the 1946 Chevy my stepfather drove from Alabama out to California in 1947 was in any way comparable to the cars of today technology wise (except in the sheer tank-like iron it was made out of.)

Guns are a bit different. I love my few turn of the 19th century SxS's and for me they are art (and I'm not a collector). Ya'll know I'm giving my Dau-in-law that 1906 16 ga Gerest-Bertron French SxS. but if you were to buy a gun today on a minimum salary....you'd have to go with something with multiple chokes.


Gene, some of us are throwbacks and are fine with the handicap that may entail.

Truth is, if I could only have one gun and my financial situation insisted that it be relatively modest in cost.....it would be a Fox SW in 16 gauge. Reasonably open chokes and adjust my hunting, not my gun.


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