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Man! this shit is getting weird! Keith is Keith...If you dont like the way he expresses himself and about what, well...Don't read it.I peak in once in a while when he is not ripping some one and he knows his stuff..This Argo dude is so focused on impressing the rest of the world with his heroic exploits that he just has to be a wannabe....Guys who have been there and done that shit don't post pics of them being there doing that shit. But if that's what spins his crank, so be it..It still AINT A FOX...AINT A FOX AINT A FOX.. What I notice, LD, about Argo's posts is that on subjects that can be judged for veracity and thoroughness, Argo is up there with the very best posters ever on this site. I have also watched him spearhead an effort to create a significantly useful database of French/English, English French gun terminology. And that's just in the short time he has been on this site. We need more guys like him and less loudmouth, blowhard dipsters like you. What have you contributed to this site recently that gives you the balls to to call out Argo? I'm with GLS....I'll take Argo when the SHTF over you every day of the week. To everyone else, sorry, I'm still off topic here. 
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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And on the subject of Foxes, where is that other tough old bird, Francis? Gil
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A Pathfinder? Those are good, very good.  They had a race up in Alaska and three out of the six teams were using Pathfinders. Treb, you missed it. It's my second Pathfinder and my fifth Datsun/Nissan (3 different 240Z back in my youth). But it's the Passat Wagon that's a smoking vehicle. 2002 W8 4 litre 8 cylinder engine and 4Motion all wheel drive and Tiptronic transmission. Back shortly after I bought it, during the summer of 2004, I was making a quick trip up to my hunting lodge at Delta Marsh to get it ready for the fall season. On those nice, flat and straight Manitoba roads I took that little sleeper up to 155 mph. Not bad for a wagon with power everything. A serious sleeper. Still love to drive it. 155 mph!!!!! That is a sleeper in coveted Porsche territory.
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And on the subject of Foxes, where is that other tough old bird, Francis? Gil I haven't seen a post from RWTF for quite awhile.
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Gentlemen,
In reading this thread in its entirety; I think Ted nailed it early on, but the thread drift is such that one need also acknowledge that LD's remarks are correct and the gentlemen like Argo are not w/o substantive background and perspective, that I for one much appreciate. That applies to many others here as well.
It has become problematic, that we have to waste time reading remarks not germane to the subject at hand. There is a wealth of good information available here from people with hands on experience, technical subject knowledge, great ref. libraries &c. and if we take Dave's original rules for keeping it between the lines, the dialogue containing wisdom will be much more easily digested.
As Wonko is prone to say, 'just a thot'
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I think one of the things that turns me off about this effort is that Savage is not offering any options for a potential buyer to get what they want. They are basically saying "We know what you want, and it is a 20, with 28" barrels. I'm sure their marketing department tried to come up with the configuration that would be the best compromise ......... but who wants to spend $4500 for a compromise? Not me.
S X S enthusiasts are pretty opinionated. Even the RBL was offered as a "build it yourself" gun. I think for this gun to be successful this has to happen, and the price has to be more reasonable.
SRH Also offered with 26" barrels, Stan. Also offered in 12ga with either 26" or 28" barrels. Ithaca did a pretty decent job selling a lot of SKB sxs with not many more options than that. They never offered double triggers, never offered barrels longer than 28" in 20ga. They did have a couple different styles of forend, and they did offer guns with either extractors or ejectors. But you only got a splinter if you took extractors. And they eventually got around to offering a straight grip as well as a PG--but only with a BT forend. I'm pretty sure Savage is aware that they're not going to sell tens of thousands of A Grades. If there's a big surprise and they sell a lot more than they anticipate, maybe they'll offer limited options like Ithaca did with its SKB sxs. Tony Galazan, in contrast, is a force of nature in the gun business. He gets people to pay for production line guns months before they're delivered. That gives him the $ in the bank to offer onesies and twosies for people who want something a little different. Most companies don't have that luxury. Even a giant like Beretta doesn't offer many options on its sxs.
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I predict it will be dead fox in a few years...
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Dead now cuz it aint a Fox...
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Dead with you, LD . . . not necessarily dead with everyone who might want to buy an American-made sxs (made by one American gunmaker, sold by an American gun company). We don't have a lot of options out there when it comes to a new American-made sxs. The originals were great guns. But the newest Fox built on Ansley's original design--if you don't count the ones built by CSMC--are now in the neighborhood of a century old, give or take. They're there if people want them. For that matter, newer guns carrying the Fox name (the Model B) are also there if people want them. This is just one more option . . . in a world where new American sxs that cost less than a new car have become pretty rare.
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