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If you want to depreciate the value of a vintage Model 21, just go ahead and jack with the original chokes. He said as a shooter, originality not required. I modify for you by saying nice 30" or 32" 3" gun with signs of field use and nice functional vented recoil pad. Does that help? As I said F-F would be preferred because it would leave room for choke alteration in each tube. This is like buying suit off rack at better clothier where pants were left long so they could be shortened by in-house taylor. I used Spector's when I lived in Albany NY.
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If you want to depreciate the value of a vintage Model 21, just go ahead and jack with the original chokes. If you are catering to the collector's value limitations based on originality, you are not going to get much use or enjoyment out of your Model 21. If you buy a Model 21 to put in the safe, pull out on occasion to admire and roll around in your hands or show off to someone who you're trying to impress with your savvy collecting prowess,by all means protect its originality with your last breath. No one who wants a 21 to use and enjoy should hack it up in some weird way, but altering impossibly tight chokes or having Briley Thinwalls installed to suit your game is not a crime in my book. What would be a crime would be having said work done by some curmudgeon "gunsmith" that botches everything he touches. JR
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Choke tubes or intentionally modifying the factory chokes in a mdl 21 is a crime. Want choke tubes, buy an RBL.
Last edited by 12brd; 01/18/18 11:56 AM.
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Choke tubes or intentionally modifying the factory chokes in a mdl 21 is a crime. Why? JR
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Crime against your wallet. Of course it makes the 5 I own worth more.
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We all have shotguns, already. We probably have so many shotguns, that we'd have to pause to remember how many we own.
The five thousand dollars a nice Model 21 with ejectors, beaver tail forend, and a single trigger costs, buys a very nice American made shotgun, but after you'd take it home and the new wore off the thing, it wouldn't shoot or be any better shotgun than a Model 12 Winchester that can be bought for five hundred dollars.
The nicest AyA Model 100 in existence, still in the box with the wrappings and bows from Christmas 1954, probably won't bring a thousand dollars. My two cost under four hundred dollars, each, and are very nice shotguns.
In the 1954 Sears Wish Book, the AyA Model 100 cost more than a field grade Model 12 Winchester.
The Model 100's were an excellent value in 1954 because of favorable exchange rates with Spain, cheap Spanish labor, volume buying power of Sears, protective minimum pricing practices of Winchester, and Sears' determination to market some flagship firearms like the FN Mausers and AyA shotguns as "halo" products to sell cheaper firearms.
They were a little less than half the price of a Model 21 in 1954, but they were closer to the Model 21 for quality and features, than the price difference.
Today, the Model 100's are five to ten times cheaper, and are a better value now, than sixty some years ago.
If you are in the notion you want a Model 21, if you try the Model 100 first, you may get out of the notion, or postpone the purchase.
At least, if I send one of my Model 100's off to Mike Orlen to turn it into a skeet gun, I've not depreciated the gun.
Shotguns are for shooting, the way I see it.
If you like the Model 100 enough, then you can always sell it for about what you paid for it, and spend five or ten times more for what's basically the same type of gun, that was made in New Haven, Connecticut, and has dovetailed chopper lump barrels, instead of merely chopper lump barrels.
And Sears didn't shoot two thousand blue pill proof loads through their Model 100 AyA's either.
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What are you, the field rep for the JC Higguns mdl 100? Give it a rest for sake. I'm starting to think you and Jaeger might be one and the same.
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Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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JR, Im done too. This one is so far off topic even Im starting to think I need a mdl 100. Too bad its so hard to post pics, me and you could start a show and tell thread. JW
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Let me pitch the AyA Model 100 alternative, just a bit more.
They were solid, well built, nice double guns that anyone should be proud to own.
Said who? Where have they proven themselves? There are more than a few here who have subjected their Model 21s to all sorts of high volume shooting without any problems. I can't remember anyone here ever mentioning the same about a AyA Model 100. For the average day out hunting, ok. So? A lot of shotguns can do that.
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