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Those loads Gill is spouting off about are over loaded and he knows it...and stuffed with small shot to make the pattern look good to the novice. Years ago I had a custom bps 12 ga.turkey gun by Tom Choke out of Louisiana...it would walk all over a fabled custom Bansner 10 ga.an acquiatance owned.

What say the 25 yard fAiry dusters...

Yes I read everything you wrote...don't let the TSS cult following fool you they are looking for the long shot short cut. They've been busted so many times for bragging most are now singing a new tune...and yes my SBE with a 3 & 1/2" shell will out shoot any factory loaded 10 ga...that I've ever shot. That being said I no longer shoot 3& 1/2 shells Winchester Longbeard 3" #4 shot let me get away from it...and I no longer shoot a turkey choke...and any turkey hunter that says he won't shoot past 35 steps is....well you figure it out.

I've shot turkeys with Rem.870s, Mossbergs, Browning BPS pumps, several O/Urs several with a Scott box lock 2&1/2" 12 ga. and big pile of turkeys with a W.C. Scott sidelock pidgeon gun with 2 & 3/4" #4s a Purdy 10 ga. and a W.C.Scott 10ga. (both choked hammer guns and killed turkeys with black and modern powder out of both)...a 10ga. W.C.Scott muzzle loader and a few with a 12 ga. Pre choke Scott hammer gun with briley 20 ga. tubes with 2 &3/4" #4 pheasant loads..and last but not least my two left handed SBEs I've killed turkeys with lead, bismuth and hevi shot and guess what they were all just as dead...but I'd have to homeless living on the street to be caught dead toting a yildzzzz just the thought of looking at that nasty thing makes me sick...

Too good or too bad?

Such a simple question, and one essential to understand the poster's logic, and yet he can't answer it.

Regarding the "too good" allegation. The load jOe touts, the Winchester Longbeards, is advertised by Winchester to be effective to 60 yards. Anecdotal reports of birds being killed farther have circulated. Anecdotal reports are also in about TSS9's making long kills as well. One of his beefs about TSS are the long shots folks claim. Shouldn't he be concerned about the misuse of Longbeards as well? Are we not hearing reports of birds being wounded by the misuse of Longbeards on long shots? Aren't Longbeards being used in blinds over decoys on fields, too? He says we aren't hearing reports of wounded birds by TSS9's and he believes it's happening. Why are Longbeards immune from the same criticism when he harangues only about "pixie dust"? If he's shooting inside 40 yards which he hasn't said he is one way or the other, why does he need a 3" shell with 1 7/8 oz of lead? What's wrong with 2 3/4"?
Now I don't feel I can tell jOe what to shoot, nor do I feel he should he tell others what to shoot as long as they aren't leaving wounded birds in the woods. As far as I know, he isn't. Neither am I.
And he still hasn't posted 40 yard patterns of his current load. He asked me to do so of mine, which I did. His turn. Gil

Shortly after I made those videos my gun club banned shooting the steel pattern board with shot bigger that 7.5 because a few idiOts were shooting it with buck shot and slugs...truth is I haven't saw the need to re-pattern my gun in several years and I'm not going out of my way to try and convince stupid people of anything with a picture of a paper target with an Olive oil can.

So give up it's not likely I'll be posting any pattern pictures for your consumption...but I can assure you my SBE with a Code Black Goose tube shoots the 3" #4 longbeard just as good as the 3.5" shell out to 50 yards and better at closer ranges...and the 3" #4 Longbeard shoots almost as good out of my Winchester 101 30" full and full gun.

jOe, there you go again. Your typical non-responsive bullshit duck and weave. I showed photos of the actual patterns in addition to the penetration photo into a steel can. You may have forgotten or just misstating facts but they are up thread.

jOe made the comment when he got busted on his comments about anyone using optics needed to stay on the porch. He answered this with he felt it was fair to comment on something he tried. I had forgotten that on May 14, 2013 in post #324770 that I offered to send him at my expense to his FFL carrier both my .410 and 20 gauge single shots with loaded ammo for him to use as he deemed fit in the fall turkey season and return them to me afterwards. Well, he didn't take me up on it, yet despite his assertions he feels free to comment on things he's tried but not otherwise, he blathers on negatively on something he hasn't tried.

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May 14, 2013 #324770

jOe,
With over 250 pellets in a 10 inch circle at 40 yards with the below 20 or 125 pellets in a .410 at 40 yards, it would be the cumulative effect of more than 1 pellet killing a turkey with a well-placed shot. And yes, .6 grains in a small pellet that does not deform as lead does makes the difference. Note that I weighed and measured 8�s, not 9�s. I�ll have to scrounge up some lead 9�s to make that comparison. It has been demonstrated by both gel tests and KPY ballistics software (sold by numerous sources) that 9 tungsten super shot penetrates 1.62� at 62 yards, slightly better than lead 4�s at the same distance and velocity. I have read reports of large leg bones being shattered by the tungsten 9s. A buddy has killed 17 gobblers without a miss or wounded bird with the .410 load of tss 9�s. The .410 load of 13/16 oz. contains 310 tungsten 9s. To get that shot count with lead 4�s in a 12 gauge requires 2 oz. My .410 weighs 3 lbs, 9 oz. rigged out. My SBE rigged-out weighs over 8 lbs and I�m selling it. I prefer carrying the lighter gun which has proven lethality on turkeys. You might get by with a bead on a shotgun, but my 65 year-old eyeballs can�t, but I am no porch or decoy sitter nor do I hunt turkeys from a blind over feed plots. At my expense I will send either gun below with shells to your local FFL. Hunt one or the other on fall turkeys. I won�t need them at that time. You say you don�t criticize without trying something first. Now is your chance to do both. The 5 7/8 lb. 20 gauge cost $91 NIB and the 3 lb., 9 oz. .410 cost $129 NIB last summer. Far from perfect turkey guns with only one shot, not fancy for sure, but with crisp, light triggers and well-choked for the shot used. And I will try not to catch on fire so you don�t have to make a split second decision whether or not to pee on my leg. wink Return them at the end of your fall season. You game?

And y�all say us Yankees are crazy.


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I�d bet that Yildiz would knock the shyte out of them high phez over in Eng-a-lund