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Uh, that would be to justify to yourself, Bob. That "moronic" statement that any moron understands means IF YOU SHOOT ONE A LOT, YOU'LL INCREASE THE CHANCE OF BREAKAGE, IF YOU DON'T, MAYBE NOT. How dense are you? Wait, I think you've already answered that question.

I'm done here with you and this subject.
JR

So John,
When you said this...

It sounded to me like you had some specific knowledge or expertise on the subject matter.
When you now say if you use something a lot it increases the chances that it may break,
your statement Is not really specific to any particular CSMC product but could really apply to anything made by the hand of man
I.e roller skates, can openers, or a ball point pen. Do I have that right?

I�m sorry to be so dense but your logic and thought process is sometimes difficult to follow.

Bob,

I can give you some specific information on my CSMC model 21 longevity or more precisely lack of longevity.

I ordered a CSMC 12 ga 21-1 3-27-06 & the gun was delivered to me in late November of 06. I ordered is specifically to shoot in SxS events & it has been shot every year since then @ events like the Southern, The UP, Metford, Hausermannn's & the Tunnel of Trees for an estimated 2500 rounds per year so lets say 25000 rounds over the last 10 years & with low pressure 7/8 oz or 1 oz loads exclusively.

I sent the gun back to CSMC in 2007 for adjustment of the trigger pulls & safety tension & to correct a cosmetic issue on how the forend was fitted. The gun was returned to me with buggered & mistimed screws but otherwise CSMC did manage to correct the initial issues.

The gun has been reliable as far as function but it is now loose & off face to the extent that a .002" shim on the hook is required to tighten it up (adjusting the locking bolt stop all the way in won't correct the loosness).

To me, 25K rounds is not a lot of shooting for a M21 to go off face & would indicate that the hook was never fitted to the joint pin properly in the first place & based on my experience I would agree with John Roberts comments.

Hey Bob, if you are going to refer to John's claims as imbecilic, at least try spelling imbecilic correctly. When you do stuff like that, you look like an imbecile ... which many of us already know you are.

Joe J. told me that do to high demand Winchester Model 21 is good gun for someone that plans to live here forever or for very long time. It would not be very good choice for someone like me. Mr. Cash has good style please stop giving him hard time.

Winchester Akbar.

Jagermeister, I'd assume that the reason Joe J. said a Model 21 would not be a good gun for someone like you is that he knew you are nothing but a tire-kicker who would just put the gun on Layaway. Then you would come here and lie and brag about the Model 21 you bought. Then you would back out of the deal once again.


Post #476286 3/27/17

It was pathetic to see you post about several of those guns, acting as if you actually owned and used them. Do you remember what you told us about the great recoil pad on the Remington 870... even though you never actually took possession of it?



Which brings us to the question once again of why we have an internet pretender and fake like you who makes thousands of posts on a double gun forum, but doesn't own any doubles???

You should ask Bob if he'll let you use some of his pictures of Model 21's so you can claim you bought them. I'm sure a lot of people will believe you, even after being caught in so many lies.

Nothing says you is in good hands
quite like having Jagermeister put Keith in his place on your behalf.
Thank you Jager, I�m sure this time he�s gonna listen.

Bob, is it �your� or �you�re� ? Best get that straight before you start sparring with Keith, otherwise, you know there will be no match. Sorry, the King�s English is important......

Edited by Bob Cash (4 minutes 46 seconds ago)
Edit Reason: Buzz made me

Great Bob! Love it!