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I have an E.M. Reilly 8 gauge with jones underlever serial number 14983 that has the oxford address and Paris address which is earlier than the seial numbers you list. I hope this helps


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That is a huge help.....it takes the first known Paris address on a rib back 287 numbers from 15270 - to 14483. Could you please post a photo of the gun and rib? I'll modify the above list. And this is what is badly needed - Reilly owners providing new information from their guns - there are at least 40 which have been auctioned in the last few years where the SN or addresses on the ribs were not mentioned. (I keep all ads and photos from the ads of Reilly's for reference). Since the first known advertisement mentioning 2 rue Scribe that I've found is Feb 12, 1868, you can be pretty sure your gun was serial numbered in that month (unless/until earlier ones show up.

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1885 - Reilly last guns at rue Scribe


And by the way the last gun with rue Scribe on the rib I've found is 27340 (and I've not seen the actual photos).
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27340. (No photos)
E.M. REILLY &. Co.- Oxford Street LONDON & Rue Scribe - PARIS.: Hammergun Side by Side, 12 bore,gun number 27340 London proof mark.Price Euro 1.850. Both guns have damas barrel, owner say in good condition auctioned at www.czernys.com/ in 2005
https://www.internetgunclub.com/~inte8406/archived-forum/posts.php?topicid=288



Terry Buffum mentioned he had a couple of guns 27570 and 27854 which had "Paris" on their ribs (he said 27854 address was unclear). This also will change the chronology significantly if true but I hesitate to start moving things around until I can see the ribs..And there were a few intervening SN's without rue Scribe...There's a lot of "internet legend" around (although Terry can be counted on).
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27854. (no photos of rib)
http://www.amoskeagauction.com/110/133.php
serial #27854, 12 ga., 30" barrels with bright excellent bores choked full and full. This shotgun is built on a W. & C. Scott crystal indicator action with side clips and with each lock being engraved "E.M. REILLY & CO. / LONDON". The markings on the tops of the barrel are difficult to read but appear to be the E.M. Reilly & Company name and London address on the left barrel and a Paris address on the right barrel. The shotgun was part of a set and is numbered "2" in gold on dolls head rib extension and engraved on interior forend metal. The barrels are Birmingham nitro proofed for 2 3/4" shells with 1 1/16 oz. loads. The minimum wall thickness is generally .0245 with one small area that gets to .023. The action and locks show near full coverage tight English scroll engraving with a nice round flower panel on top of action. The barrels retain about 95% evenly thinning restored blue finish overall. The action and locks show an even gray patina and remain very smooth and free of pitting. The checkered straight grip walnut buttstock and splinter forend rate very good plus as refinished long ago. The gun features a 14 5/8" length of pull over checkered butt and shows drops of 1 1/2" and 2 3/8". The gun locks up tight and points beautifully. A neat crystal indicator sidelever Reilly Ejectorgun. (17147-176) {C&R} [Terry Buffum Collection]



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And the reason I'm having a problem moving 27854 and its Paris address to 1886 is this label on my case. It is hand numbered 26584 and then is hand dated 1886 in the lower right corner. Of course the barrels could have been serial numbered in xxxx date and it later was sold in 1886. But accepting that 27854 had a Paris address would move the serial numbering of 26584 back to 1884 or so..... Reilly prided himself on rapid delivery of bespoke guns...this gun then would have sat on his racks for 2 years or so until sold.

I'm twisting and turning.


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14983
E.M. Reilly 8 gauge
with Oxford and Paris address

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Many thanks 12bore, I'll be working on modifying the chronology: Here are the extant serial numbered guns ranging from about 13700 to 15700 surrounding the opening of Rue Scribe; several extant guns numbered after 12bore's 14983 had only the London address; only three in this group had the Paris address; this was normal throughout the existence of rue Scribe.

13688 - E.M Reilly & Co., New Oxford Street, London; 20 bore; Shotgun SxS. underlever hammer gun.
14115 - E.M. Reilly (nothing further - no photos, etc). Shotgun SxS; Center break, Jones under leaver, hammer gun.
14580 - E.M. Reilly & Co. London. 12 ga. Shotgun SxS; Percussion hammergun, Muzzle loader.
14983 - E.M. Reilly & Co., New Oxfort Street, London & 2 rue Scribe, Paris; 8 bore. Shotgun SxS; underlever Hammer gun. (First known rue Scribe, Paris address)
14985 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London. 16 ga. Shotgun SxS; Sidelock, underlever hammer gun, (Buffum).
15129 - E.M. Reilly & Co., 502 Oxford St. London. 12 bore. Shotgun SxS; pinfire, hammer gun, muzzle loader.
15143 - E.M. Reilly & Co, 502 Oxford St. London, 12ga. Shotgun SxS; underlever, hammergun.
15239 - E.M. Reilly & Co. New Oxford St., London. .577. Rifle, Snider-Enfield 2-band; Birmingham proof.
15270 - E.M. Reilly and Company Oxford Street London & Rue Scribe Paris. .577. Rifle SxS; Underlever. BPE. Non-rebounding hammers.
15262 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street. London. 12ga. Rifle SxS. Black Powder proof for 13 bore.
15283 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London. 12ga. Shotgun SxS; Jones under lever. Buffum.
15287 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London. 12ga. Shotgun SxS'. Under lever, hammer gun. Buffum
15346 - E.M. Reilly (no further info). 12ga. Shotgun SxS; Under lever, hammer gun.
15531 - “Reilly & Co." (no rib name, address mentioned; no photos). .50cal. Rifle Single barrel. Enfield type. Hammer gun. Muzzle loader. Buffum .
15625 - E.M. Reilly, 502 New Oxford Street, London, 2 Rue Scribe Paris. 4bore. Shotgun SxS. Underlever. Orig pinfire conv-to centerfire.


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You have my gun 14983 listed as a 12 gauge it is an 8 gauge!


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And here are the existing guns from about SN 25500 to 28000 surrounding the closing of rue Scribe in 1886. You'll see that Terry Buffum owned several of these. Some were rebarrelled. However, he might be able to clarify some of the questions about the names on the ribs per below. If anyone has these guns or knows of others in this chronological period, it would help if we could see the ribs: I'll factor this into the master chronology in a couple of weeks.

25572 - E.M. Reilly, 16 New Oxford Street, London and Paris. ,450BPE. Rifle SxS. Underlever Hammer gun. “To Their Majesties Kings of Spain and Portugal.:
25711 - E.M. Reilly & Co, 502 New Oxford St. London. 8bore. Shotgun SxS. Underlever hammer gun.
26218 - No address mentioned. 12ga. Shotgun SxS. BLNE.
26517 - E.M. Reilly & Co. (re-barreled - Chas Smith & Sons) 20bore Shotgun SxS. Under lever Hammer gun. Buffum
26537 - No address mentioned. 20ga. Shotgun SxS. Under lever hammer gun (Buffum)
26554 - E.M. Reilly (Address not mentioned). .45 BPE. Double Rifle. Underlever hammer gun. Steel barrels.
26557 - No rib address; left barrel E M Reilly Gun And Rifle Manufactures, 20ga. SxS. Under lever hammer gun; (Buffum) (HWK's gun now)
26584 - E.M. Reilly, New Oxford Street and Rue Scribe Paris. Unknown cal. Case label with SN and 1886 date.
26718 - E.M. Reilly & Co., (address not mentioned). .380 cal. Rifle Black Powder.
26733 - E.M. Reilly (no full address mentioned). 8 bore. Rifle SxS. Crystal indicator, rifled barrel. hammerless.
26957 - E. M. Reilly & Co., 16 New Oxford St., London. 8 bore. Rifle Single. Underlever, hammer gun.
27254 - Unknown…unknown (question asked of a gun question site)
27340 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London & Rue Scribe, Paris. 12bore. Shotgun SxS. Hammer gun. (no photos of the rib)
27377 - E.M. Reilly & Co, 277 Oxford Street, London. 12ga, Shotgun SxS. 3 barrel set, one steel. Crystal indicator (Buffum).
27515 - E.M. Reilly & Co. (address not mentioned). Rook Rifle converted to .410.
27570 - E.M. Reilly, Oxford Street, London & Paris. 16ga. Shotgun SxS. BLNE (Buffum).
27687 - E.M. Reilly & Co.(address not mentioned). 20bore. Shotgun SxS. Underlever hammergun. (rifle conversion).
27750 - E.M. Reilly & Co., 277 Oxford Street, London. Xxxx. SxS. Whitworth steel barrels.
27847 - Name Not mentioned. .450 BPE. Rifle SxS. Under lever, ejectors, rebounding hammer gun.
27854 - E.M. Reilly & Co+ (London address and a Paris address)(unclear). 12 ga. Shotgun SxS. Side lever, hammer gun. (Buffum) (no rib photos)
27894 - E.M. Reilly & Co. (address not mentioned). 12 ga, Shotgun SxS. Top lever hammer gun.
2804x? - Name Not mentioned. .410. Rifle/shotgun single. Converted from rifle. Steel barrel. Top lever hammer gun.

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I'll change it, thanks..got confused by your screen name....

12boreman's 14983 is now the 1st rue Scribe SN'd gun (Feb 1868); If Terry's 17854 is the last (Sep? 1886)..it pushes average yearly production of Reilly serial numbered guns to around 705 per year (as opposed to the current estimate of about 660)- almost 60 per month. In 1880 Purdey and Holland and Holland had less than a third as many SN'd gun sales.

Saint Etienne gunmakers at the turn of the century noted a drop off in sales in December to June and diversified into bicycles. Reilly though sold to "gentlemen" going abroad who needed a gun quickly, and all calibers not just shotguns. Here's an interesting example:




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12boreman, what in the world are those hammers? I'm a bit new but I don't understand how the thing works?



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