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Bill, when I said "invest your own money" I didn't mean the extra one might have being put away for retirement. I mean every last dime you can scrape together to fund your entrepreneurial start up. I mean taking money from your own accounts to make sure your end of the bargain got lived up to.....your employees got their paycheck on Friday.

It's a different kind of thing, embarking on that risk. The risk of starting something. Where your monthly pay is solely dependent on your ideas and what you do each month to make those ideas a reality. Where there is no back stop of the government or union to make sure you can pay your bills and buy food no matter how badly you screw up. Something you will never really understand unless you have lived it.

And if you think the people who do that....who drive the economy and actually create the wealth through their ideas and hard work.....if you don't think they deserve the rewards.....if you don't think they aren't already paying their fair share.....then I would suggest you don't know how it works in the real world.

Yes, there are a small number of people (billionaire types, many who are Democrats....we call them Limousine Liberals up here) who find ways to avoid taxation but there are millions of "millionaires" (probably in the range of 10 million of them in the US right now) whose vision, creativity, hard work and risk taking enables the country to be as rich as it is. They make the jobs. Even yours.

Yup....the homeless epidemic can be traced directly to this. Doesn't really matter who enacted the laws that did it. It was advocated for and pushed by the Progressive Left.

As for "pissing away billions" I nominate Trump's tax cuts and the boost in defense spending. Both these disasters are simply rewards to big donors. The rich hate government because they don't need it. They resent paying taxes for services they don't use. You and I need schools, roads, bridges, fire and police services because we can't pay for them privately. What's lacking here is a desire to create and sustain a cohesive society in which all members have the opportunity to enjoy healthy, productive lives. Trump's motto is Every Man for Himself.

It's a daunting task developing economies on reservations up here as well. But the liberal solution of treating them as incompetents, providing them with specialized benefits based on race and encouraging them to continue to live in isolated, rural backwaters while stoking their sense of victimhood has only exacerbated the problem. Hmmmm, reminds me of how the Democrats treat blacks.

While I understand the Liberal empathy for those less fortunate, it is staggering to me that your solutions, so often and with incredible regularity, are tried again and again always with the same failing result. At the same time, conservative notions of personal responsibility are, again with such regularity, at the hearty of successful outcomes. It speaks to the idea that it's not really about solving the problem but more about making the Liberal feel better himself because he can look at the effort and console himself that "we are at least trying".

The ONLY successful reservations I see in Canada are ones that encourage getting off the government teat, shouldering personal responsibility for one's situation in life and working hard to change it. You know....the recipe for success that most of the rest of us try to follow.

Bill the politicians you support have purposefully and with malice aforethought developed and encouraged identity politics to further their own nefarious ambitions. There's where your "cohesive society" is breaking down. It's not the rich's abhorrence of school taxes.....mostly the rich don't give a shit about school taxes...it doesn't add up to much for them.

I would dis-agree that it does not matter who passed the law. The liberal left certainly had an agenda, but so did Reagan and the Right. Same result but different motivating factors. Reagan did not want to pay for housing and services related to the mentally ill. The left felt that the "rights" of these folks were being abused. A bit of shared blame in my eyes. Reagan does not get a pass from me on this one. Reagan's desire was to balance the Federal budget, a Nobel goal, but he created a whole bunch of issues for the States which they were ill prepared for.

Bill, I was responding to the comments that you offered. I believe you mentioned that your state has inadequate mental health services and you had no answer for it. I never thought for a moment that you would believe me, but I still encourage you to look it up. There was a big infusion of money 'during the last eight years' doled out by out of sight out of mind programs with designated purposes. Interesting eh, you, meaning progressives, will throw millions at fighting substance abuse, and throw millions at lobbying for legalizing abuse prone, life wrecking opioids.

I've seen a hospital form at one of your facilities. Literally, the first lines, in bold type, had to do with penalties and consequences for not showing up for a medical appointment. Come to find out, medicaid participants, at least at some facilities, just don't bother to show up for somewhere around forty percent of their medical appointments, according to a friend that I trust. From my point of view, you get more mileage out of talking about the aca than your 20K that have no skin in the game.

Anyway, if you believe Montanans are much more likely to benefit from a catastrophic health condition safety net, what prevents you from focusing on your most likely scenario? I think you object to health coverage simply because you have the ability to flip on your rant mode and justify never being satisfied.

A very complicated situation James. Tribal bonds are strong. Indians do not like to move away from family. Reservations were placed in rural areas for a reason. White folks did not want Indians near white population bases. What does one do? I have very good Native American friends which I spend as much time as I can with each fall. Life is tough on the Rez. Not all of it is the fault of the Natives. Read up on the mismanagement of the Native American Trust Fund. Over 2 Billion in funds missing and when the suite was settled the Government had to restore less than 1/4 of it. Same story with Sales Tax revenues. When the Indians ended up with less than 50% of the land in Mellete County the State sued to claim sales taxes revenue and move the official Rez boundary. The Indians aggressively purchased more land and now own over 50% and tried to have the boundary moved back to the original position. No luck, the State will not budge and still claims all sales tax for itself. Much, much more to it than wanting to be on the Government teat.

Steve, to be clear I think very little of it is the fault of the Native Americans. I try not to be too specific because each of our countries have a different history and relationship with Native Americans.

What I do know is it is an unmitigated disaster in Canada, with leadership on both sides refusing to make the hard decisions that might move it forward to a better place. The status quo is encouraged because there are too many vested interests at this point. And the average Native pays the price while the rest of us funnel $12 billion a year down the rabbit hole to fund it getting worse.

As predictable as the sun rise, the Liberal left gunsmith SKB is once again denigrating Republicans by name. He claims to be an Independent Moderate, but he is always very quick to criticize Reagan, Bush 43 or Bush 46, or Trump by name. Yet for some strange reason, you just never see him calling out the Liberal Left anti-gun Democrats he obviously supports. His Democrat partisanship is as evident as King Brown's.

But he's dumb enough to think nobody notices.