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If dim bulb Billy was attempting to demonstrate his ignorance here, then mission accomplished.

The ACA (ObamaCare) did not provide medical insurance. It provided nothing. It forced people to either buy very expensive insurance with huge co-pays and deductibles, or pay a penalty. It forced working people to subsidize the medial insurance costs of non-working people, i.e., more Welfare. The comparison to homeowners insurance was simply stupid because no one is forced to buy homeowners insurance. And no insurance company is compelled to insure an already burning or flooded building.

Billy won't tell you that medical and health insurance costs increased greatly after ObamaCare was enacted. And it still left almost 30 million citizens without any insurance. That was the opposite of what was promised by dishonest Democrats.

Of course, we shouldn't just vote for a politician on the basis of their support for the 2nd Amendment. That would be one-dimensional. We should vote for those that Billy and SKB the Liberal Gunsmith support... the ones that increase taxes and health care costs, support job killing regulations and insane trade deals that compel manufacturers to move jobs overseas, increase the number of Americans on Welfare and Food Stamps, kill the jobs of thousands of coal miners, waste billions spent liberating Iraq, give billions to Iran in exchange for not being able to inspect their nuke sites, give aid to a dictator who shoots missiles over Japan, promises to be more flexible with Putin after the election, etc., etc.,

And Billy is still trying to run away from his previous lies where he claimed that Corporations are colluding to keep wages low, and that wages have not increased in 20 years. Why does he refuse to offer any proof? Why does he lie to us?

Such a great song.

Another thought occurred to me.

Let's imagine for a minute that Steve is a died in the wool Democrat, happily voting for anti gun politicians despite his apparent interest in the shooting sports himself. Why wouldn't he show his disdain for Republican pro gun politicians? As a Democrat, he would likely feel they support any number of ideas he just can't get behind.

Now, given that he makes a living fixing and selling guns, you and I might think that a bit dumb. But we are all free to be dumb if we want.

So, under that scenario, should he be hiding what he thinks here? You crap on others for their deceptive and calculated efforts to subvert our thinking. Steve comes right out and says what he thinks. We don't actually need you to decipher his comments for us to show us what a closet commie he is, unlike some of the sneakier members here. Steve tells us in his own words.

You (and I) have no problem showing our disdain for Democrats. Should Steve be held to a different standard?

We seem to be making progress.

You (and I) have no problem showing our disdain for Democrats. They are anathema to what we profess on so many things besides gun rights. On that we certainly can agree. And Stevie certainly tells us, in his own words, about his disdain for Republicans... in no uncertain terms... by name... as he sometimes makes a tepid remark also blaming the other party... without naming names. Can you even think of a time when he chimed in to bash Obama, or Bill or Hillary Clinton by name as he frequently does with Trump, Reagan, Bush 41 or 43. etc.?

The difference is this... you and I don't pretend to be Liberals (or Independent Moderates) as we bash Democrats by name. I don't think either of us is stupid enough to think people wouldn't see right through such a charade.

Stevie should just come out of his Liberal Democrat closet already. He isn't fooling anyone. The one and only thing I admire about King is that he doesn't hide his Liberal Socialist beliefs. He is hardly alone in his insane assertion that you can consider yourself pro-gun even if you knowingly support anti-gunners. And the last time I checked, this was supposed to be a forum catering to gun enthusiasts. So I don't apologize for placing a certain emphasis on gun rights.

That�s a very good point.

Lots of California is nice. Most people in California are pleasant decent people. The regulatory environment is almost unbearable. If I had my way I would not to do work in CA. Everything is just an extra level of pain in the azz and it's tempting to just say "[censored] it".

Prop 65: I just ordered a new fishing raft from NRS. It's know to cause cancer in California. For some reason I'm not that worried.

Keith, you know it's possible for someone to actually be kind of in the middle, right? To agree with some positions Republicans take and some positions that Democrats take.

While in our countries the vote is typically between either two or three parties and their positions, most us have far more nuanced beliefs, not all of which line up exactly with whatever the party line is.

IMHO your us or them attitude is no better than the Antifa us or them attitude. The only difference is your positions are likely more effective in building a better society and country. But your polarization works against that objective. I'm surprised a smart guy like you doesn't see that.

Gotta go do some work now. We'll see what this evening brings.

LR, Cue the appropriate song/video now!

That's where the first liberal thinking started...

Reservations should've never been started. It was stupid to think an Indian way of life could go on with modern man encroaching on their door step.

We came and we conquered nothing to be ashamed of or apologetic about....and I'm part indian and just proud to be here.

We've had this discussion before James. After many years of thinking like you and many others that we gun owners are all in this together, I finally came to the conclusion that we do ourselves no favors by coddling and embracing back-stabbers. We spend a great deal of time, effort, and money attempting to preserve our rights and freedoms, only to have a minority of gun owners undermining us by supporting the politicians that work relentlessly to take away our guns.

If I agreed with 95% of what some Republican politicians were for, but they wanted to ban my guns, I would withhold my support for them and relentlessly pressure them to respect my Constitutional Rights. Or I would find another politician who actually respected the Constitution to vote for. I did not vote for my Republican Senator Pat Toomey in the last election, and I e-mailed him to tell him why he didn't get my vote or my support. His support for Obama's gun restrictions had gone way beyond simply choosing the lesser of two evils. I urge other gun owners to reject him too, unless he changes. I don't see many Liberal Left Democrat gun owners doing a thing to change their politician's negative prevailing attitude toward gun rights. Do you? That's why I say they are as dumb as someone who would hire a pedophile to babysit their kids, or who would bring termites into a wood framed house. And alienating them does no harm, because they are already stabbing you in the back. Who needs them?

I'm very surprised that a smart guy like you doesn't see that.

Here is the music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Mn6V1IzHw

Who needs them, you ask? You do? And every other gun owner and supporter of the 2cd.

They are, odds are, the easiest to convert to our way of thinking. But not when we shit all over them. And we need converts because demographics alone will destroy the 2cd and hunting both. Maybe not in our lifetimes Keith but a good chance in our childrens' lives.

But besides that, to what end, what benefit is gained by this polarization and hatred? It doesn't move your agenda forward. It's not Christian and hatred diminishes each of us who engage in it, even when we have good reason.

But all this is a little off my original point. Why shouldn't Steve say what he thinks. We do. Isn't that what your 1st is all about?