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Awe, group hug cback. Sorry, I had to get that out of the way. Why would you characterize it as 'polarization and hatred'? Wouldn't it just be called progress, 'cept for the part about liking guns?

Here's an anecdotal tidbit that RM Bill can confirm. Within Montana, sen. tester sure as the sun rises sounds like a pro gunner, but in dc he's a hundred percent lock step antigun policy voter and supporter. No, it isn't tester's sort coming to be all he can be as a progressive lefty, but what in this world makes you think Bill 'would be the easiest to convert to our way of thinking'?

Who says anyone has to hate anyone? The more important question would be, why would one willfully allow a person that happens to shoot, blow smoke up their a..? Can you believe how much mileage Bill thinks he gets out of his corporate greed/Trump wrecked o's economy mantra? Good luck, eh, winning him over to vote in a multi issue pro liberty way?

I grinned a bit at your native North American reservation characterization. Ever drive down through Bill's MT, no eye contact, don't slow down in Browning, eh? Sure there's drug abuse on the reservations, but we probably shouldn't ignore the cover that they can provide for drug traffickers. In fairness there are some councils that're starting to kick the riffraff off of their reservations. Ask Bill, I'm sure he's aware of MT roads that're notorious illegal drug trafficking routes up to your country. There're stretches that you don't stop to help a damsel in distress, unless you want to get your head split open by three of her meth addicted 'boyfriends'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on the great state of Montana, one of my absolutely favorite places to be. I'm picking on hypocrisy.

Craig, lots in there but I�ll just respond to this one item. EVERY reservation I have been on in the northern plains states is better than EVERY reservation I�ve been on in Manitoba and Saskatchewan and northern Ontario.

Okay, I�ll add a bit more.

I�m right about demographics and our changing society. You can deny it, stick your head in the sand or hold your breath and plug your ears. Won�t make a bit of difference. Change is coming and alienating those closest to us wont help keep up the numbers. That�s just the way it is.

The reason you are losing the society game is because you aren�t playing the long game and the Left is. And you are losing for sure.

The thread was started due to the �hate� exhibited towards Californians who a simply trying to follow the laws they are saddled with. There is hate and polarization exhibited here every day.

If we are losing, it is because the Democrats have figured out that they can bribe the public with the public�s own money. Something de Tocqueville warned of 200 years ago. It seems many people do not believe in the things that have made the US exceptional: personal responsibility, individual rights, capitalism and free markets and equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. The Dems buy votes with promises of free healthcare, free college, above market wages, etc. Buy enough votes and you can ram through any policy you want. But a system based on buying votes will implode because eventually you will run out of other people�s money.

Hypocrisy, hatred, polarization: does it matter now? There's all of that for sure but you're mowing the lawn while the roof is on fire, craig. Leader of western world, cringing at a dictator's bidding in Helsinki, a country in political chaos, rule of law out the window, institutions binding a country condemned, adversaries favoured over allies, and we're going on about patriotism in Montana and California? Great nations go down when they no longer believe in themselves. Cutting out the petty nonsense here would be an improvement.

I think it's a country in media chaos.

Sorry James, but no, we don't need them... the supporters of anti-gunners in our midst. They are no good for us or the preservation of 2nd Amendment Rights. And you cannot show me even one here that you have converted to our way of thinking. They will not help to thwart the destruction of the 2nd Amendment... they are willing participants in it.

So what benefit is gained by my thought that we should reject and marginalize them? That's easy too. By accepting and embracing them, we are teaching them that there are no repercussions to stabbing the majority of gun owners in the backs. You are telling them that their back-stabbing is somehow acceptable because they own, or claim to own and shoot a few guns. We should not be permitting them to get away with electing and supporting those anti-gunners who threaten your rights, and those of your children and grandchildren. Let them go... reject them. They can't do any more damage than they already are by undermining us.

And I never said that Lefty Stevie SKB shouldn't say what he thinks. In fact, I think he should say it all like King instead of pretending that he is Conservative or Independent Moderate. After all, it should be obvious to you that he spends an inordinate amount of time denigrating and criticizing Republicans, while tossing a few soft balls toward his favored Liberal Democrats in order to try to hide his true attitudes. I think he should just come out of his closet already.

Keith, see ya in 60 years and you can tell me then how well it�s worked out for gun owners.

You attack Steve with some pretence like he�s being disengeneous and you give a pass to an ignoramus like jOe.

I guess the problem is I�m not a fanatic. There is no one single issue that, if you�re on my side, means I�ll support you no matter how big a dick you are. And if you are on the other side, no matter how many other aspects of life we have in common, I�ll hate you.

We shall continue to disagree on what�s best for our cause.

jOe isn't stabbing you in the back like SKB is James. jOe isn't frequently popping up to bash pro-gun republicans like Steve does. I believe Steve is indeed being disingenuous, and he has given us abundant proof of that. I'd just like to see him be honest with us and come out of his closet. And like it or not, jOe really is one of those gun owners who you say we need to have on our side and not be polarized against them.

It sure doesn't sound as though you are a not fanatic when it comes to hating jOe. I'd say that calling him an ignoramus rises to the level of shitting on a fellow hunter, shooter, and gun owner in a fanatical manner... something you keep lecturing me about.

With the changing demographics you are concerned about, how can you justify rejecting jOe and embracing guys like King and SKB who obviously support Liberal left anti-gunners? Why is it OK for you to shit on jOe, and bad for me to dump on Liberal Left back-stabbers?

I don't need to call you in 60 years to tell you that embracing the Liberal left Democrat gun owners who undermine our efforts to preserve gun rights is not working. The anti-gun politicians and organizations themselves are as proud as peacocks about that, and they are happy to report and exaggerate the number of gun owners who they claim support more gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

But maybe you'll prove me wrong in the end. Who knows...maybe you'll change King. And maybe pigs will fly too.

That's what canooks do...they think they are smarter than everyone else.

Truth iz I never ran into a canook that wasn't so full of himself that he couldn't realize how really stupid he was.

Truth is we should've whipped their azzes years ago and put them on Artic reservations.