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Very lovely &interesting pin fire. Also interesting the shell in the right barrel carries a VL&D NewYork head stamp. Not familiar with the one in left barrel. Do you know who that VH L is?
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I can't spot even any vintage French proofmarks on that gun. The modern ones don't show up until 1897. It’s got this St Etienne proof in the dark oval on the barrel.  The French had their own calibre scale of 32 gauge to 56 gauge based on the Livre/French Pound from December 14th, 1810 till April 22nd, 1868. Also the St. Etienne touchmark of the encircled crossed palms surmounted by a crown flanked by 3 small crosses was used from 1856 - April 22nd, 1868. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Very lovely &interesting pin fire. Also interesting the shell in the right barrel carries a VL&D NewYork head stamp. Not familiar with the one in left barrel. Do you know who that VH L is? The VH L one was made by V. Francotte May & Cie, of Liège, Belgium; owned by Victor Francotte and Henry May. Their trade name at the time was Capsulerie Liégeoise. A similar headstamp of theirs from the same time period came in packets of 5 in a crate like this:  It is interesting to note that they misspelled Lefaucheux. Here is an article I did on some of their pinfires a few years back:  And here is a little more info on VL&D shotshells (as well as some other US-loaded ones) from my article in the IAA Journal a few months ago. 
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Beautiful gun, thanks for sharing.
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I can't spot even any vintage French proofmarks on that gun. The modern ones don't show up until 1897. It’s got this St Etienne proof in the dark oval on the barrel. The French had their own calibre scale of 32 gauge to 56 gauge based on the Livre/French Pound from December 14th, 1810 till April 22nd, 1868. Also the St. Etienne touchmark of the encircled crossed palms surmounted by a crown flanked by 3 small crosses was used from 1856 - April 22nd, 1868. Cheers, Raimey rse I had to do a little research on the earlier French mass measurements for an early pinfire cartridge I was researching recently. I was wondering if you or anyone knows of a good book that goes into detail about various early measurements as they relate to guns and ammunition?
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According to the information I have, that proofmark was in use from 1856-69. Certainly fits for a pinfire.
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According to the information I have, that proofmark was in use from 1856-69. Certainly fits for a pinfire. Not sure what a couple months difference would make. 1856 - April 22nd, 1868 Cheers, Raimey rse
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Likely not much. Missed your post, Raimey.
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And here is a shot of the full thing. 
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