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Wow - it's sleeved! Sorry to hear that.
Did he say how he spotted it? Were the seams visible on the outside of the bbls? Were the bbls marked "sleeved" and reproofed?
And what did he say about the stock? Was it as off as it looks in the pics?
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The seams of the sleeves were welded to hide the sleeves. The barrels were NOT marked sleeved. Whoever installed the sleeves intended to deceive future purchasers. In all honesty I do not believe Steve Barnett knew the barrels were sleeved. My gunsmith said in England criminal charges would have been filed based on the condition of the gun.
The stock was done by an English restocker, but the services of a finisher were not used. The stock was not up to the standards of a Purdey gun. I was quoted $7,500 to $8,500 for a new stock. My gunsmith said the stock was OK, but not up to the standards of a top tier gun.
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That stinks.
I wonder who sleeved it - maybe it was done over here? Does anyone in the states offer seamless sleeving?
You're lucky your guy caught it.
In the past, I know some dealers used seamless sleeving as a way clean up bbls and pass them off as original. This was before seamless sleeving was common, so most people were fooled by it. I bet it fooled (and fools) a lot of 'smiths.
BTW: another shady thing some dealers would do was re-bbl a 16g down to a 20g, then pass it off as original - especially British O/Us and top-tier stuff like Purdey SxSs. Of course, this was back when 16s were cheap and maker's records were hard to access.
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I have heard that Merrington sleeves guns but doesn't mark them as sleeved as the proof house would. A bad practice to my eyes.
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kdross: Sounds like you have a good gunsmith. If you are in NJ, you cannot be too far from me. Are you willing to share his name? (Not that I have any particular need at the moment, but it is always good to have someone in line.)
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There is no way anybody can fault Steve Barnett in this situation. He is a gun salesman, not a gunsmith and he is as honest as they come.
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Max: I already stated that I believe Steve Barnett had no knowledge of the sleeve.
Newlyn1: Send me an email at kdross@msn.com
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I certainly didn't mean to criticize Mr. Ross for trying to purchase a $25k Purdey and I'm the last guy on this board to ask what kind of a Purdey one should expect for 25k. Heck, I've never even seen a Purdey. I admire him for upping his original ante from 15k to 25. I'm just surprised that it seems to be so tough to find one in good condition for that price...Geo
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KYjon, tell me something about the crossover Boss. I have been looking for a proper, high condition Best crossover gun for years. Purdey, Boss, Woodward would be nice. I have several crossover guns, but not a Best. The manufacturers have told me that my chances of finding one in their hands are not good because they convert them back to straight for the big buck. Who had the nice Boss? Feel free to email me at wilmrph@verizon.net Thanks, Bill Murphy
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Here is a thought. How about going to England and attending an auction with Dig (for instance, or have him pick one out for you). This way you can possibly get one without all the various markups (other than his fee) and get more bang for your buck.
Or, maybe even better yet, go New York, see a show, have a great meal and buy a nice Holland and Holland Second Hand from Dave Cruz at the Holland and Holland store. That way you have the actual maker standing behind your purchase. Last I checked they had a few guns in the 20 to 30 range.
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