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Never yet have I seen a gun that matched the pictures once I had it in hand.
General information is all they are good for. To know whether or not you want to see the gun in the physical.
Just last week I was ten hours drive from home & called into a shop to look at a gun that was a ripsnorter, best example, lightly used & well maintained, if you go by the pictures & description.
Five seconds in my hands after it was handed to me (action closed) & I opened & closed it I found it to be off face.
Needless to say, I opened it again, looked down its pitted bores & handed it back & said thank you.
Please Lord; When will the gun be what it is claimed to be.
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Obvious an older refinish, JMHO. Also priced about double what it should sell for, maybe more. What's obvious? Rounded corners and edges? Nope. Polished-out engraving? Nope. Gaps in fit? Nope. Looks too good for it's age just because you say so huh? Priced double based on what, all the others available just like it? Yeah, didn't think so. JR
Last edited by John Roberts; 10/22/18 06:47 PM.
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Wow, five pages of praise and... um..not...and it's not sold yet??
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What world you been living in...a good gunsmith can refinish a gun and make the best expert scratch his head.
LIke the guy said it's an obvious old refinish.
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JR, What is obvious is you have blinders on about this gun. Is it your gun for sale? Do you want to buy it and want others to tell you it is legit? Tell us. The metal is all wrong. You don't keep the metal pristine and beat the crap out of the wood. Look at the edges of the wood. They are dark when the basic wood color is light. Figure selective oil soaking and wear. That wood should be just as nice as the metal. It clearly is not. Why? Because it never got redone to the degree of the metal. Someone put a little finish on it to cover the worst wear but did not steam out the dents and scars.
Was the metal well refinished? I'd say yes. It was not a recent job. I suspect 20 years or more. Could see several people having done the job. That level of refinish is still possible to achieve with the right person. Engraving can be picked up. Lines preserved and no rounding of holes. Perhaps the owner was intending to have the wood redone later and never got around to doing the job. The metal is a seven and the wood is a three. Does not go together. There is a reason for that discrepancy.
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Never yet have I seen a gun that matched the pictures once I had it in hand.
General information is all they are good for. To know whether or not you want to see the gun in the physical.
Just last week I was ten hours drive from home & called into a shop to look at a gun that was a ripsnorter, best example, lightly used & well maintained, if you go by the pictures & description.
Five seconds in my hands after it was handed to me (action closed) & I opened & closed it I found it to be off face.
Needless to say, I opened it again, looked down its pitted bores & handed it back & said thank you.
Please Lord; When will the gun be what it is claimed to be.
O.M You might consider getting your vision checked, Moses. There are photos and there are photos. Steve Barnett's photos are pretty dang good. If vou cannot draw a decent idea of the guns overall appearance from the photos he puts up, you can't see very well. Or perhaps you're like HoMeLeSs JoE, looking for love in all the wrong places. Can you discern anything about this piece from these photos?: http://hallowellco.com/r_g_owen%2012ga.htmJR
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JR, What is obvious is you have blinders on about this gun. Is it your gun for sale? Do you want to buy it and want others to tell you it is legit? Tell us. The metal is all wrong. You don't keep the metal pristine and beat the crap out of the wood. Look at the edges of the wood. They are dark when the basic wood color is light. Figure selective oil soaking and wear. That wood should be just as nice as the metal. It clearly is not. Why? Because it never got redone to the degree of the metal. Someone put a little finish on it to cover the worst wear but did not steam out the dents and scars.
Was the metal well refinished? I'd say yes. It was not a recent job. I suspect 20 years or more. Could see several people having done the job. That level of refinish is still possible to achieve with the right person. Engraving can be picked up. Lines preserved and no rounding of holes. Perhaps the owner was intending to have the wood redone later and never got around to doing the job. The metal is a seven and the wood is a three. Does not go together. There is a reason for that discrepancy. Nonsense. It ain't my gun, but I'll put my judgment about this gun up against yours any day, as well as anyone else's here. You might have missed Researcher's opinion back on page 2. I suppose his knowledge is worthless about this piece. Seems most of you casting aspersions on every piece that looks good think they're all redone, for whatever reason that fits, mostly tirekickers and cheapskates. But whatever, continue your bashing if it makes you feel better. JR
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I have no dog in this fight, but the engraving on the receiver looks very crisp. Someone has been in the gun as evidenced by the screws, but that does not necessarily earmark the gun as a refinish. Im betting the metal work on receiver and furniture is original and not redone.
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When I enlarge the pics and look closely I see patina on every metal part on the gun. If it was redone it was a long, long time ago. There are people who can fake patina very well, but they don't go to the trouble on a gun like this. They do it for big bucks stuff.
I'm believing the metal has the original finishes, until proved wrong.
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Stan you said the key words "a long time ago".
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