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Be aware that some countries consider the 4457 to be your US issued permit to own the gun. They cannot wrap their heads around the fact that US citizens don't need permits to own a firearm.
US Customs considers the form 4457 good for life but South Africa requires that it be dated in the same calendar year as you are traveling.
4457s are for use only by USA officials.
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Not so. You cannot get a firearm into South Africa without one.
As I stated above, some countries consider it to be a US gun permit. It may be intended for just US Customs use but used by other governments as well.
Last edited by Hammergun; 10/29/18 07:21 PM.
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Not so. You cannot get a firearm into South Africa without one.
As I stated above, some countries consider it to be a US gun permit. It may be intended for just US Customs use but used by other governments as well. That's exactly how Moroccan customs treated the 4457 when I arrived there with a shotgun (and a bunch of other baggage--2 year tour in the embassy) umpteen years ago. All they wanted was something official with a number on it. They asked for my permit, so I tried the customs form since we don't have long gun permits in the States. It worked. And while the 4457 may be a permanent document, you'll need a new one if you take a different gun.
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Larry, I think you can add guns to an existing 4457, though I haven't actually tried this. I just get another.
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Brent, I don't think I ever went to Scotland twice with the same shotgun. But my suspicion would be that you can't add to a customs form. If you could, then couldn't you simply purchase a shotgun overseas, add it to your customs form, and bring it back with you--thus escaping both customs duty as well as the costs of importing it?
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Point of the form is to show that a customs officer has seen and signed off on you having an item prior to leaving the country. So not subject to duty due coming home...Geo
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Larry, he may initial a new entry or some other thing, I don't recall. But if you think about it, what's to prevent you from adding one anyway? Only the copy that is on record somewhere = which they never check at the airport.
It is not a very secure way of doing things, but it stops the casual tourist from "importing without taxation. When I was a kid, I think lots of people would go to Europe and buy cameras and so forth because there were no import taxes or fees on them. It was cheaper to buy a plane ticket to Germany, buy a new Nikon and a few lenses and come home with it than to buy it locally.
Camera gear ceased to be a big deal eventually. Perhaps because the import duties were eliminated (coming back strong now though).
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