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No one takes well to a know it all constantly spouting off about his expertise, so I tend to stay out of such situations. However, if it is obvious someone is being taken advantage of, I will speak up, and let the individual decide what he wants. The dealer always gets mad, but so be it. I don't want to do business with someone like that anyway.

The example was raised of the used pump gun being sold for more than Wally World sells them new. I see that all the time, and let it ride. If a guy doesn't care enough to shop around a little for a commodity product, he deserves it. On the other hand, I was at the Louisville gun show a couple of years ago, and was looking at the table of one of the really big, well known national dealers. Some guy came along, grabbed a W. Richards from the table beside me, and exclaimed " WOW, a Westley Richards for only $6500!!" The dealer, standing right in front of us, didn't say a word and only gave him a big grin. This was obviously a guy who had an interest, but was so new to the game he was still uneducated. The dealer knew exactly what he was doing. There was no way I would let the a** possibly do that to someone, so I simply turned to the guy and said "It's not a Westley Richards, it is a different maker." The guy said "Really?", the dealer looked like he was about to bite a nail in two, and I walked off.

You have to play the cards as they're dealt. There's never one answer.

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I see what both sides are saying. However, anyone who drops $1600 on a gun without closely examining it will get screwed from time to time.

Also, what if he DID know it was a salt gun and still thought it was a good price? I would think that the gun described- depending on how bad the salt damage was, would indeed sell for more than $1600 today.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Small Bore brought up a good point. Are we going to holler across the room every time a bad gun at an auction is bid higher than we think proper??


I think this is a superb idea. Lets get into the habit of saving people from making grave mistakes. I know that I wish a few people had saved me from making buying mistakes in the past. Suppose every time you see a mistake about to happen you/we shout out a warning. Then when people are use to us saving them by these shouted warnings then we can use this to warn them into not buying the guns we like and want. This would depress auction prices to the point that we will have to carry twice the number of empty gun cases with us to carry all our great, cheap buys home. Brilliant Eightbore.

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Hi all, something like this happened to me. I was at our local big sporting good store and overheard the salesman giving this guy a line about an E-collar. Everything he said was way off, won't get into details, but the one guy was about to buy it. The sales guy left and I told the buyer about the collar. He was surprised and left. So much for that. BTW didn't even get a thank you from the buyer, oh well.

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IMO .... any seller that will do that to someone else will one day try to do it to me. I think I would have said ..... I decided against this one because "I think" it may be a salt wood gun. If the guy knows and buys it any way it's his decision. If he asks the salesman he can judge the answer for himself. I understand the rules of "Caveat Emptor" and "Protect yourself at all times" ..... but I don't want to do business with someone who has them hanging on the wall!

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All gun dealers, good or bad, have to somehow liquidate bad guns as well as good. Ethical dealers price their bad guns down where they should be priced. I don't think they should be expected to go further than that in warning the buyer. When we see an underpriced gun on a dealers table or rack, we should be extra careful. Obviously we are always careful when the item is priced on the high side. We are buying the gun, not the dealer. Bad dealers and auctioneers sell good guns as well as bad, so we occasionally find it neccesary to do business with them.

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Originally Posted By: Small Bore
What is a 'salt gun'?


Small Bore,

It is a manufacturing defect that Browning admitted to and is well known here. They burned the remaining stocks.
A dealer certainly should be knowledgeable about it and up front with any potential buyer of a salt gun.
Here is an article about it that includes a test to determine if the wood was indeed salt dried.
http://www.shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/8-Dec-02.html

Jimmy,

I think the fact that you are questioning your own actions says alot. You could certainly have said something in the parking lot. The buyer would have been able to turn around and walk back in, if they choose. Some times it is not what we say or do, but rather what we failed to say or do.
It was not an auction, where you expect things to be moving fast and furious. The buyer did an impulse purchase.... They might have listened and again, they may not have.

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Thank you Pete. Most interesting.

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I think all boys need to learn sooner rather than later to study all their decisions before finalizing them. Dropping a couple hundred on a salt gun is cheap enough for the learning experience. (My dad's favorite saying related to this was "Don't play pool with strangers".) The ones I feel bad for are the widows or aged who wander into a gun dealership with some firearms to sell and a total lack of knowledge about current values and practices. I have irritated more than one dealer by telling such a person they needed an appraisal before making decision to sell and giving them a referral to an honest appraiser. Equals in a deal where one gets stung a bit don't bother me much. I hate it when an unequal gets totally screwed.

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Probably like someone else said, 'if ya don't wanna come back to that store, say somethin.' There are a few people, myself not being one, that can convince someone that they are doing a less than ethical thing and still end up being their friend. My wife gets away with this on many occasions.

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