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We all know that given the choice you'd vote for Muslim because they are such loving people...

According to Larry the Clown Brown

Actually Larry, as it turns out, you handed hill-n-the-socialists their 'we won the popular vote' mantra, didn't you. Are you sure it was such a good point about the military being involved in the teeny weeny shutdown? It seems the biggest thing that was affected by the shutdown was talking points, eh?

Well, there's Larry Brown... once again engaging in the political commentary that he and his anti-Trump pals claim to find so offensive and prone to driving folks away from this site.

Welcome back to hypocrisy central. But since Larry started the off-topic political discussion...

It does not seem strange to me that Trump is still trying to get adequate funding for a Border Wall and Border Security. He was attempting to do it while Republicans controlled the House, and certainly did more than his recent predecessors who talked the talk, but did virtually nothing. But there are enough Republicans that also hate Trump and also have a vested interest in uncontrolled illegal immigration. Larry probably doesn't understand this, but Trump is not a dictator, and he needs support in the House and Senate to fulfill any campaign promises. If he goes the Emergency Executive Order route, Liberal Democrats will file a lawsuit for injunction before the ink is dry. Trying is a lot different than lying Larry.

By continuing to pursue what he ran on, Trump is doing a great job of exposing the Liberal Democrat lie that they are also interested in Border security. Mike Pence stated that Trump was willing to compromise and accept less than half of the $5.7 Billion he is asking for. But lying Democrats who previously stated a willingness to spend even more are now showing us they never meant what they said.

And before anyone says it, Mexico absolutely would pay for the Wall. The savings to U.S. citizens and taxpayers for the Welfare, Education costs, Health Care costs, depressed wages, incarceration and prosecution of criminal illegals, and costs associated with drug trafficking would far exceed the cost of securing the border and building a Wall. Liberal Left Democrats are still trying to regulate and ban AR-15 rifles. Rifles of all types were used in 376 murders in 2016, while 63,600 Americans died from drug overdoses in the same year.

If you could have been a fly on the wall in the voting booth with Larry, I'd bet you'd have seen him vote for Hillary. Some things become clearly evident over time if you pay attention.

The friggen election is two years in the past. Let it die.

I care more about who gets onto the Supreme Court than in the White House. It�s hard enough for a moderate or conservative president to pick justices who don�t turn out to be closet liberals in office. But I�ve never seen a moderate or Liberal judge who did not get more liberal over time. Just think what cherries Hillary would have given us. So I�ll go for the candidate who I think will pick judges I need to protect my right to bear arms more than one who will decide which bathroom I get to pee in.

Shutting down the Government was more myth to me. I heard about countless people who were going hungry or going to be evicted. Get real. This is America. Poor people here are fat. It takes months to foreclose and evict someone. Not 30 days. Every government employee can join a employee credit union and that credit union could loan them money against their future back pay. Every credit union was told by the Secretary of treasury they would be paid. The credit unions should have offered loans to members because they had 100% fully government backing. It was circus and show time. All BS.

And just think we are closer to the next election than we are to the last. We get to do this all over again and what fun that will be if the MSM darling Liberal pick fails to win again. Congresswoman OSoStupid from NY will be demanding we defund and close that Electoral College forever. I just hope she never finds in on the map. She might show up at the next Electoral College graduation and give them a peice if her mind. And I don�t think she has any to spare.

No doubt it sucks but something beside talk has to happen or we don't have a country.

We could forget about the election, but I think this resurrection is more about faux principles and the reality of splitting the vote by throwing it away on some third party fantasy. I never have and I doubt many others have ever gotten their ideal candidate, but I'm pretty sure who ever votes for a harris, booker or a lizbeth warren will feel like all is perfect.

Third parties do matter. They change outcomes. Had Teddy R not run in 1912 Wilson would not have been elected. Many people think the 1992 election was another example. Had Perot not run in 1992 Bush would have had a second term. When he, Perot, started babbling about hit squads coming down from Canada people should have known he did not want the job. He just hated Bush.

Most of H. Ross Perot voters would have gone for Bush if they only Bush or Clinton to vote for. Clinton only got 43% of the vote. Think what a difference that would have made. The Clintons would have returned to Arkansas and drifted into obscurity. The second Bush would most likely not gotten in later. The Jr. Senator form IL would still be that, or a village organizer.Vince Foster would still be alive. Global warming would still be the PC phrase. Al Gore might have gotten elected in 1996. That might have been fun. Beating out Dan Quaile. It is all HRP fault.

I think Newt ought to write a fictional book about this outcome. He wrote one about Lee winning Gettysberg and the South still lost the war. It was supply lines, man power reserves and the grinding nature of the war with less resources available in the South.

Since I didn't vote for Hillary, how could I have "handed" her anything? What I did--sometimes I guess it's necessary to explain the obvious--is cast a vote AGAINST both Hillary and Trump. If Trump needed my vote (and a whole bunch of other votes) to win the popular vote, that's his problem, not mine. Or the Republican Party's problem . . . because had they nominated any of several other candidates who ran in the primary, they would have gotten my vote. W didn't win the popular vote on his first try either . . . but he did the next time. Trump likewise has a chance to do better. Maybe what he really needed was more help from the Russians.

As Tut pointed out, the Coast Guard being part of the shutdown may very well have exacerbated an already very serious illegal drug problem in this country.

Sometimes decisions like that have unintended consequences. Back in the late 70's, money for training the Army Reserve was in short supply. (Those were still the Carter years, before Reagan got us back on track spending more money on defense--and putting a lot more pressure on our Commie adversaries, eventually bringing about the end of the Cold War and the disintegration of the "Evil Empire".) Anyhow, our commanding general looked at our little Military Intelligence unit. We were full strength and all of us were fully trained and qualified. Therefore, instead of sending us to DC for our annual active duty (in support of the Army's Intelligence and Threat Analysis Center), the general said "You guys will do your Annual Training at home station." We prepared to comply with the order. At which point ITAC said: "No, general. We need them HERE. For one thing, they can't access Top Secret information back there. We will write the check." After that, we never had any problems receiving funding from our Army Reserve higher HQ. Kinda sent the message that we were "essential".

On the other hand, had the Republican Party nominated Teddy rather than Taft, same result: Wilson wouldn't have been elected. They didn't have a lot of primaries back then, but Teddy swept them--including in Taft's home state. Taft was nominated via the old "smoke filled room" system.

Ross Perot split the vote that allowed Clinton to win.


Best,
Ted