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Gil;
I dispense my powder with a Lyman 55 powder measure. I weigh to confirm the measurer setting but not every charge by any means. I use two loading blocks & after priming put the hulls in one block upside down. I then pick up a hull, upside down, flip it over under the measure's spout & dump the powder charge. I place the charged hull right side up in the other block. No powder is dumped into a case which was not just previous upside down. I have used this method for around 50 years & have never double charged a case. All of my roll crimping has been done with the crimper clamped to the bench horizontally, have never had a problem with this.

I will try & take some pictures of my Thalson & a Vandalia soon. These are rather handy for "Small Batch" loading. I try to take most of my picks outdoors as I do not have good indoor lighting for photography. It seems to be raining here every day though.

I also have a few primitives in the rifle/pistol field if anyone is interested. didn't mention them as this is a shotgun board, but will do so on request.


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That's good technique, Miller. I used the RCBS equivalent powder dispenser when I shot metallic silhouettes years and loaded 7mm TC, a wildcat cartridge using necked-up 5.56 brass. We shot production Thompson Center single-shot pistols. I got rid of all that equipment years ago. Looking forward to your photos. Gil

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Here is a mixture of reloading tools, some from the early 1800s. The wad re loading tube and pusher can be used for pinfire as well as centrefire cartridges. A not so common hand roll turnover tool, it works well but extremely slow my limit is four cartridges. Wad punch and cartridge re sizing tool this requires a lot of hand strength, powder measure missing handle and adjustable shot measure. I think the bench mounting roll turnover tool is from around the 1900s



Two not so common items in this photograph one is the Kynoch .410 plier style re capper. The small pliers are for pulling out and inserting pinfire pins, one jaw has two fine V grooves at right angles to each other for griping the pins. I have only seen one other pair of these pliers so may be they are a bespoke item made for a gun case.



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Damascus, beautiful tools. As for the wad cutting tools weren't some given "love tap" assists from leather, brass or wooden headed mallets? Gil

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Well, it didn't rain today, so got a few pictures made. Not really high quality, but show the basics.

Thalson 16 gauge, Set Up for final crimp


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CloseUp of Crimp Starter & shot/Powder Dipper
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Lyman Vandalia


Operating Handle on the Vandalia


3 of my Shot/Powder Dippers
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On the Vandalia note the crimp starter & final crimper have a slot running up through the threads, they just slide in & are secured with a knurled head set screw. The threads are only for the adjusting locknuts. If you look close you can see the little pin inserted into the ram which serves as a stop for crimping. With the ram down against the stop pin, the starter or crimper is adjusted to come to the proper position & can, therefore, be adjusted for different case lengths. The shell guide for crimping should seat on the shelf which is visible in the pictures. This shell I picked up for the pic was not reloaded on this tool & there was apparently a bit of difference in the sizing dies diameters so the brass head will not enter the guide

On the Vandalia, there is a bit of an optical illusion. It appears the decapping punch is trying to enter the wad guide. In reality, the decapping pin pushes the fired primer put into the slot you see in the base. The wad rammer is invisible, being behind the decapping pin. The resizer is shown at back right position. For sizing it is inverted with C'bore to the top, the hull is started & it is set at front position & top plate pushes the hull into the die. It is then inverted & sits in a C'bore in the base so knockout runch can loosen it.
Crimper is in the front center but this design did not include a crimp starter. One was normally not needed when reloading a fired paper case.

On the dippers, the small one in front is a Lyman


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Shotgun Cartridge reloading is not popular on this side of the pond, possibly the reason shotgun barrel bursts are extremely few and far between here. I came across this vintage "Bowman" cartridge press complete with all its fittings at a local car boot sale, Bowman no longer manufacture them they now specialise in clay target launches. It cost me a cup of coffee for the person who owned it, all because I showed some interest in it. The plastic shot and powder bottles have been replaced with clear versions, after making some enquiries the original bottles where opaque and difficult to see how much shot and powder you had left, so the clear versions made things a lot easier.




GLS. I have never seen a specialised hammer or mallet for wad punches, though the one in the picture has all the signs of never being used.


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The following book may be of interest to anyone interested in collecting reloading tools." British Handloading Cartridge Tools."
Author, David J Baker, first published in 2003 by Gomer Press, Llandysul, Ceredigion, Wales.


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Miller, those two presses look stout. What is the cylinder shaped object above the funnel with the Thalson? Deprimer base or resizing die? My MECs look flimsy in comparison. My PW 375 looks cut (but not quite as thick) from the same cloth as the Thalson and Lyman. Those are impressive. In the below photo is my .410 brass hull reloading kit. L-R. funnel, primer seater used in conjunction with steel square and un-pictured rubber mallet, deprimer seat, deprimer ram, two 3" hulls. I have the kits for 20 and 12 with hulls. The kits are made by Rocky Mountain Cartridge and are reasonably priced. The dippers are all from France. The red handled one and double-ender in nickel silver are marked with the Manufrance symbol. Manufrance was the Sears-Roebuck of France but with better guns. Damascus, that appears to be a no nonsense approach to a single stage and looks sturdier than my MECs. Correct me I am wrong, but from what I understand, the reloaders in the UK are mostly waterfowlers. Gil

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Gil;
The cylinder above the funnel you asked about is the resizer. It is C'Bored on one end for the rim. I have not checked to see if it is tapered to full-length size or if it sizes more like a ring sizer, but suspect the later.

My very first reloading was done with brass 20 gauge hulls obtained from the old Alcan Co. They were the Fiocchi brand & took the 645B Berdan primer. Every tool I used was home-made except the powder/shot dipper & I wasn't even a machinist then. I ground down a small screwdriver to a curved shape with a point which I stuck into the primer dent & popped it out. Made my primer seater punch & wad rammer out of an old broom handle whittled down to go in the hull with the primer seater having a hole drilled in the center so it didn't mash the primer pocket. Used an old Flat/Sad iron turned upside down for the flat surface to seat the primer. Started with DuPont bulk smokeless powder which I could dip by the dram setting. I later procured some "Nike" powder, also from Alcan, which was easy to ignite & worked well with the Berdan primers. At that point, I had to buy a scale as it was a dense powder. The Nike was a crimson colored flake powder & as I recall was imported from Italy.

Speaking of Stout though nothing I have seen equals that old Herter model 72 for stout. As I recall it weighs around 25 lbs It came with a shot & powder measure which used a rotary drum with the cavities opposed to one another. Washers were attached in the bottoms of the cavity to adjust volume.
Could probably do a google search on that model & find pictures of it or maybe someday I'll pull mine out & take some.


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Found a site which has a downloadable manual for the model 72 here;
https://www.scribd.com/doc/33468843/Herter-s-72N-Shotshell-Reloading-Tool-Instructions-1960s
Interesting to look at even if you don't have one of them.
Both the Herter 72 & the Lyman Vandalia came on the market around 1960. The 72 sold for $59.95 including the shot & powder measure & the electric shell reformer. The Vandalia was around $35.00. The 72 stayed on the market until the mid-1970s, don't know how long the Vandalia lasted. Best as I recall I bought my 72 in the 70s while it was actually available new, but paid $15.00 for it with both 12 & 20 die sets. It did not have the shell reformer, but by then I was mostly using plastic hull so it wasn't needed.

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