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Bro. Nudge
The 'White Line' Recoil Pad was patented by Frank Pachmayr 1-28-35 #2091010, but made by Fray-Mershon of Los Angeles.



The Pachmayr name appeared right after WWII; 1946 Sports Afield

Fray-Mershon and later Mershon Company, Inc. also made proprietary pads for various entities --

Doc and Researcher,

Good stuff. BTW what a different world in CA. One made in downtown LA, and the other in Beverly Hills??

Try even mumbling the word "firearm" there now.

Ronny and his cowboy hat and suede jacket would look very out of place.

Nudge

Oh here's another confused fella!

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=100035974

Has a Folsom-era Paragon for sale that he describes as representing guns which are "predecessor to the L.C. Smith."

He's only off by 40 years...easy mistake.

- Nudge

Of Course, Folsom-Era guns were not predecessors of the L C Smith.
However the earlies L C Smiths were marked;
"L C Smith, Maker of the Baker Gun."

I believe it was McIntosh once stated, Baker Designed it, Alexander Brown Improved it & the Fultons Built it, Just Who was L C Smith??

While W.H. Baker was involved in several early double gun businesses, the guns we know as Bakers were designed by Henry Allender, Albert C. McFarland and Frank A. Hollenbeck

["Just Who was L C Smith??"2-piper]

The money, of course...Geo

Very little mechanical similarity between the W. H. Baker, W. H. Baker and Co. (partner with L. C. Smith), and the L. C. Smith Maker of the Baker Gun, Syracuse which were all front trigger locking mechanism guns, the Hollenbeck designed 1892 Baker hammerless, and the 1886 Alexander Brown designed L.C. Smith hammerless

1904 "Baker Gun Quarterly" courtesy of David Noreen. The Baker uses a cocking rod & bolt





The Smith uses rotating cocking rods with arms extending from the "knuckle" of the action





and has a rotary locking bolt



George hasn't been around here in some time but certainly knows better

Actually, while this is true, we can't just say Smith was just a money man who didn't really know guns. I've seen references (I'm not in a place with my "stuff" right now, or I would share) to Smith's father being the one who first partnered with Baker in Lisle, NY, with both Smith brothers working at that business. So the two brothers probably had at least some hand in actually working on guns. Or at a minimum...working at the business of guns, even if they didn't possess the machinists touch.

Then, as now, he who contributes the most capital gets his name on the door (L.C. Smith)...or at least call the shots (Durston/Howlett).

Nudge

Built a good typewriter though...Geo