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Wasn't Bonehill the first to offer (or maybe popularize )"interchangeable" parts for their guns, minimizing handfitting? Gil I think that was Eli Whitney. JR
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Bonehill made a model called the "Interchangeable ". Bonehill had a lot of experience with military contracts where they perfected machine made interchangeable parts. He sold a lot of guns in America until the McKinley Tariff of 1890 killed the imported gun business. These and many more details in "Birmingham Gunmakers" by Douglas Tate.
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Does that read >>Patent Solid Steel Through Lump<<?
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Raimey rse Yes it does
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In the 1960's Whilst on one of many visits to William Powell's, Carrs Lane, Birmingham. I had an interesting discussion with Mr Powell [Father of Peter] on the subject of hammer guns. At that time they had available for sale a Purdey hammer gun. As I recall, a bar action, top lever with Steel barrels. Price about 110 pounds. Mr Powell commented, "British hammer guns are the most under valued antique in the country!" To day you would be hard pressed to buy a gun such as this for less than 5000 pounds! Sad to say your observations are so true, I opted to purchase one of those AYA's!
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Does that read >>Patent Solid Steel Through Lump<<?
Cheers,
Raimey rse Yes it does Dig on the topic: Traditionally, Damascus barrels had their lumps dovetailed in place, as did early steel barrels. Later came the ‘chopper-lump’ barrel which most discerning sportsmen seek nowadays on any ‘best’ sidelock. Bonehill had ditched both in favour of an assemblage of what he called his ‘Patent clip lump and extension top piece’. This consisted of the two barrel tubes, machined to fit flush with a machined lump with integral connecting piece, which clipped into the top-rib. When joined together, they formed a very strong barrel, all the parts of which were machine made. The maker claimed it ‘…makes it impossible for a top piece or underneath lug to come off’." http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=255252Cheers, Raimey rse
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U.S. of A. Patent Nr. 329705A of 1885
CHRISTOPHER GEORGE BONEHILL, OF BIRMINGHAM, COUNTY OF \VARWIOK, ENGLAND.
DOUBLE-BARRELED GUN.
SPECIFICATION forming part of Letters Patent No. 329,705, dated November 3. 1885.
Application filed October 17, 1884. Serial No. 145,765. (No model.) Patented in England May 31, 1884, No. 8,469, and in Belgium March 23, 1885, No. 50,049.
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The Belmont interchangeable was Bonehill's gun having interchangeable parts. There were others which had preceded Eli Whitney in making guns with parts "Made to Gage" to be interchangeable, but Whitney I believe carried it to a higher level & received most of the honor in the process.
There are so many things we have been taught in History classes that are wrong that it is often hard to sort out the truth. For instance how many know that after Cyrus McCormick had his reaper ready for the market, he had to wait 13 years for another man's patent on actually an advanced design to expire before he could sell his. Mr Hussey believed the old saying "Build a Better Mouse Trap & the World Will Beat a Path to Your Door". The Crowd didn't come, he sold a few locally. McCormick, on the other hand, beat a path to the World & received the credit for inventing the Reaper, which he didn't do. Likewise, Elias Howe Jr did not invent the Sewing Machine, in fact, he was never even a successful builder of them. He was issued a patent which should not have been granted which tied up other makers & he Bled the trade of some 3 million dollars & History has credited him with the invention.
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Curious if there is a listing of Bonehill serial #'s to establish DOB? Specifically 25145.
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Damascus, I still don't think the message has reached all gunshops here in England about the value of good old hammer guns. I went into one a couple of years ago; one of the gunshops that only sell guns beginning with a letter 'B' such as Browning, Beretta and Benelli; I'm sure you know the type, anyway I though worth asking if they get anything interesting offered in the way of hammer guns and was told 'we scrap those if they come is as they're dangerous'. I just though, more fool him.
Going back to the original question. Sympathetic restoration is well worth it on muzzle loaders provided the barrels are not too thin and pitted. Good luck. Lagopus…..
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