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need help identifying grade and model. Marked Victor Sarasqueta on barrels 12 Ga 28" barrels. ejectors anyone know if this is a 4E, 5E or 6E????   
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Similar to 5E seen in 1968 Victor Sarasqueta catalogue, except that the engraving on fences less ornate.
a.zabala made a gun in the same era that is identical to yours. Could it be that the zabala busines was taken over by sarasqueta, hence the name on your gun despite the variance in the engraving?
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need help identifying grade and model.
Marked Victor Sarasqueta on barrels
12 Ga 28" barrels. ejectors
anyone know if this is a 4E, 5E or 6E???? Best guess on model, based purely on engraving, would be a model 203. At an ejector gun, that would make it a 203E. Typically, the Spanish artisnal shotgun makers made guns to some specific purpose rather that to some "grade". If you would care to share photos of barrel flats and water table, and the total weight of the gun we could try to parse out the purpose for which your shotgun was made.
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Ill get some barrel flat and water table pics
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more pics of barrels and water table 28" barrels 6 lbs 9oz 14 1/4" LOP no cast   
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USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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Good morning Brian,
12 gauge, has 2.75 inch chambers when it left the proof house in 1973 (proof year code R*1). Barrels weigh 1350 grams. I see your post that we are looking at 28 inch barrels and a total weight of 6 pounds and 9 ounces.
All of the Spanish artisanal shotguns fall somewhere on a continuum that runs from light game (carried much, shot little), through medium game guns (carried little, shot much), to heavy competition guns (carried never, shot continuously).
Im of the opinion your VS falls in the range of a light game gun. It has relatively light barrels and the action looks to me to be quite slim and without significant reinforcement. I would not be surprised to find the butt stock has been drilled out to remove stick wood, to get a good balance.
A get gun for upland bird, and especially for chuckar where we hike a lot for a few opportunities to get a shot. Id suggest a shot load of an ounce or less, and keep the muzzle velocity at or under 1200 FP. Heavier loads, or loads with higher muzzle velocities may damage the chokes or crack the stock.
Congratulations sir, on a very fine shotgun.
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Similar to 5E seen in 1968 Victor Sarasqueta catalogue, except that the engraving on fences less ornate.
a.zabala made a gun in the same era that is identical to yours. Could it be that the zabala busines was taken over by sarasqueta, hence the name on your gun despite the variance in the engraving?
Roy, Zabala wasn't taken over by anybody. They're one of the Spanish survivors, basically representing the low end of the market. Still in business today.
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Roy, Zabala wasn't taken over by anybody. They're one of the Spanish survivors, basically representing the low end of the market. Still in business today.
Purely FYI, as of a bit over five years ago Zabala Hermanos fell on hard times and merged with Laurona (which was also in financial trouble), and became Laurona/Zabala. A few months later Laurona/Zabala closed their doors and went out of business.
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Roy, Zabala wasn't taken over by anybody. They're one of the Spanish survivors, basically representing the low end of the market. Still in business today.
Purely FYI, as of a bit over five years ago Zabala Hermanos fell on hard times and merged with Laurona (which was also in financial trouble), and became Laurona/Zabala. A few months later Laurona/Zabala closed their doors and went out of business. Thanks for the update. They were making smallbore LC Smiths for Marlin as of a few years ago. The Spanish gun trade continues to contract. Sad, thinking of what it once was.
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