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King Brown #545800 05/12/19 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Context, context....

....The rest of the world has disarmed from a Wild West characterized by United States gun violence. "Disarm" doesn't mean total ban on firearms, mostly a balance for reasonable public safety decided democratically by electorates which Ed correctly referred to. It's near top of media platforms in Canada and the US this weekend, trending seemingly toward gun reform.

Recently, your buddy cback explained the hoops he has to jump through to obtain a handgun. In the name of public safety, how can most Canadian firearm homicides be committed with handgun? If you can only license a handgun for target shooting, will you philosophize on how it's possible to misuse a handgun, 'cept of course forgetting one where kids-n-mounties play?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Context, context, dear keith. Your post:

"Originally Posted By: ed good
as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm..."

The rest of the world has disarmed from a Wild West characterized by United States gun violence. "Disarm" doesn't mean total ban on firearms, mostly a balance for reasonable public safety decided democratically by electorates which Ed correctly referred to. It's near top of media platforms in Canada and the US this weekend, trending seemingly toward gun reform.


King, it is well known by now that you have little or no respect for our 2nd Amendment, or the truth. It took a very tortured interpretation of Ed's words to come up with your usual bullshit. Unfortunately, this comment by Ed wasn't made in a vacuum. This comment is but one in Ed's long history of anti-gun rhetoric.

I provided more of it expressly for you, and even posted a link to many more of Ed's past statements. I reminded you of Ed's desire for flat out bans on entire classes of legal firearms owned by law abiding citizens. And your response here is precisely why I saved it... and why I also saved dozens of similar statements made by you... and why I think your words should be posted as a permanent Memorial Tribute to you and your legacy here.

You have lied here for years about the so-called "Wild West" level of gun violence, always blaming the inanimate object and always making excuses for those who commit the most violent crimes. You also stated that there is no civilized nation where it is more prevalent. I responded with the example of Russia, a Socialist experiment gone horribly wrong. You read this numerous times, and ignored the truth:

Originally Posted By: keith

The U.S. has over 300 million guns and a 2012 murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000. Russia has only 13 million guns, and a 2012 murder rate of 9.2 per 100,000. So we have 23 times as many guns... and a murder rate about half as high as Russia. It would seem that the problem is cultural rather than due to the availability of guns.

Imagine how much lower our murder rate would be if we cracked down on certain extremely violent and criminal subsets of our society, instead of making excuses for them as King Brown does by referring to Gang Bangers as children.

Anti-Gun Trolls like King and Ed Good would much rather see restrictions on the rights of law abiding gun owners.


Liberal Left people like you and rocky mtn bill aren't interested in what is decided by "electorates". The electorate here decided to make the pro-2nd Amendment Donald Trump our leader, along with a Republican controlled Senate. And it is driving you all nuts because he is not sharing your vision for gun restrictions and flat out bans on the types of firearms you all don't like. He is nominating Supreme Court Justices that interpret the Constitution based upon the Original Intent of the Framers... not on your fictional views and anti-gun desires.

9 days ago, May 4th, 1970 was the anniversary of a school shooting. It kind of also shoots holes in the idea that we would all be safer if only the police and military had so-called assault style firearms. It was that little insignificant incident where a bunch of kids were shot for exercising their First Amendment rights to free speech, assembly, and protest.

But being the "Father of Fake News" reporter who can carefully pick out certain words and actions, and re-define them to suit his Liberal Left agenda, we all know what happened at Kent State University means nothing, and is but an annoying blip that gets in the way of your own anti-gun beliefs. If that had been the National Guard shooting a bunch of black civil rights protesters, we'd never hear the end of it from you.

But you have told us that your anti-gun rhetoric, and anti-2nd Amendment and anti-NRA views are something you are proud of. That is why I feel it must be your lasting legacy here... long after you are gone. People need to know that embracing anti-gunners like you, who support those who infringe upon our Constitutional Rights, are stabbing gun owners in the back. Why do you think the repeating truth about you, along with your own words, drives certain people like Gladys Kravitz nuts?


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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This is a forum of opinions, on guns and many other things, keith. It's entertaining and informative. Members have different opinions, and we should respect them for it. I measure value of those opinions---individual reality--- from their posts, their experience, and how they express themselves.

You'd condemn an opinion that some improvement in the Commandments could have a positive effect on Christianity. The Founding Fathers didn't plan for political parties. Your country hasn't settled on the Second Amendment. I read no complaints here of slowing slaughter by banning bumpstocks.

Our worlds are changing. We'll get used to it. Open and accountable conversations, of moderation and tolerance, make living bodies of the First and Second, constitutions, and bills of rights. I'm pleased members have not harassed Ed Good as unAmerican for saying what he believes.

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I think handgun restrictions in Canada started in the early 30s, around the time of the Lindberg kidnapping. Coincidence that this weekend our media was filled with federal and provincial concerns of "black market" handguns crossing the border from the US. (I think nearly 800 stopped since beginning of the year.) It's not an academic exercise to understand that persons wanting to kill another will use an instrument of choice, often firearms including pistols. We've lots of them.

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"IF" by commandments, this referencing the "Ten Commandments, there were changes made to them in the First century. These co0mmandments were NOT written by men & were not changed by men.

As to the constitution, it was written by men & provisions were made for it to be changed/amended by men. There is a certified procedure which "Must" be followed for change.

The big problem is there are many, mostly Democrats, who are trying their hardest to by-pass that procedure & push their agenda because they are fully aware they do not have enough backing to go through the proper channels. Unfortunately, there are several issues, not firearms related, on which these same people have successfully been able to take the constitution completely out of its context & the Supreme court, rather than interpreting the Constitution, has Legislated via the courts.

Those of us who truly believe the Constitution should be followed as written until such time as it is legally & properly amended will fight all of these changes to our fullest extent. This is why I did not vote for the Clintons, I did not vote for Obama & I DID vote for Trump.


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Thanks, Miller. I wasn't aware of early changes. I respect all faiths but do not agree all their aspects. The commandments to me are as good a checklist around for honourable living but Jesus's spoken word to love most cherished of all.

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King;
For the most part, those commandments have been carried over in some form into Christianity. The commandment to Remember the Sabbath Day & Keep it Holy was a commandment given only to Israel.
Christians are not commanded to Keep the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week (Saturday). They are rather commanded to Assemble & Worship on the First Day of the Week (Sunday), the day Jesus arose from the dead & the day the Church which he purchased with his Blood was established on the first Pentecost following his Ressurection.

I Believe what is written in the "Word of God" not what any man has instigated or written. Jesus, The Christ, plainly stated "The Words Which I Have Spoken, the Same Will Judge You in the Last Day".
There are no provisions made for any man to Alter the Words spoken by God or his Son Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

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Rom 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 


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King Brown #545838 05/13/19 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: King Brown
I think handgun restrictions in Canada started in the early 30s, around the time of the Lindberg kidnapping. Coincidence that this weekend our media was filled with federal and provincial concerns of "black market" handguns crossing the border from the US. (I think nearly 800 stopped since beginning of the year.) It's not an academic exercise to understand that persons wanting to kill another will use an instrument of choice, often firearms including pistols. We've lots of them.

Uh oh, the philosophical rope-a-dope.

In a changing world, concerned with safety for all, can you philosophize about the yin and yang of rising Canadian handgun murder rates and the inability to possess or use a hangun without a target shooting only license? Or to rephrase that, would you be willing to share a factual list of the next three or four gun control increments that are on the agenda?

"black market", I find that insensitive, check that offensive. Are we profiling Canadians of colour, yin, while ignoring the culture of the urban gang, yang? Or, does that exude too much toxic masculinity? Huh, no forestry community organizer day for the trees ravaged to make rolls of impeachment tissue?

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Miller very nicely stated and thank you for sharing this information.


David


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Very much on federal government's horizon is banning handguns, craig. It's taken the temperature of cities and regions across the country.

I follow the Mountie's liberal interpretation of the rules when I registered mine 65 years ago: if you're going to shoot make sure no one can see you or hear it.

No yin and yang to it.

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