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Wish I still had my copy of Terry Weiland's book "Spanish Best"-- but as I do not have access to his data, I'll ask, in general terms- and perhaps more specific later, after I have the gun in ? in my hands and on my bench-
20 gauge Spanish made side-by-side- double triggers ( not sure if it is a sidelock or a box lock, nor if it has ejectors- The name of the town- gunmaking center I believe it EIBAR-- t currently belongs to a friend-- retired automotive engineer- loves older Buick and Ford cars- but not really a shotgunning gent- Not sure what he wants to do with it- we shall see.
My main concern is the old Jack O'Conner stories in his "Shotgun Book" about the metallurgy- believe this was imported by Richland Arms - so I doubt it is an AYA-but will post more details and fotos later, if my "Bama friend Raimey E. will assist me in getting that detail underway-right now, just asking for tips on what to look for on such a shotgun- RWTF/ Ambien con El Zorro!!
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For starters, are you sure it's Spanish? Richland did import Spanish sxs, but they also imported Italian sxs made by Prandelli-Gasperini, which were pretty good guns.
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Good ? Oh mighty King- Eibar- believe that is in Spain, not Italy- Looks like a Richfield Arms- Blissfield MI 1960's import--but that's just a SWAG-- El Zorro
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The Spanish doubles from the 60’s and 70’s got a bad reputation for soft steels on internal parts. But it was very hit or miss as to which ones were good and which ones were soft as butter. Many Spanish guns were fine, but they all got tainted with a bad reputation.
Had a friend buy a 20 “POS” that he reworked into a double rifle. He was a great home shop gunsmith. Smoothed and hardened the internals, bushed the firing pins, sleeved the barrels with two .444 barrels from Marlin. First two shots were 1/2” apart at 50 yards. At 100 they were 1/2” apart but had switched sides. Since he was using it for a wild hog stopper it was a perfect setup. Lords knows how many hogs he killed with it. He’s gone now and nobody knows where that double rifle ended up.
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Yes, Eibar was/is in Spain. Richland Arms imported a line of Spanish made shotguns. The lower priced ones were boxlock & as I recall were ina 200 series. I once had an Italian 20 gauge 3" magnum imported by Richland Arms which was a model 707. For a rather inexpensive shotgun, it was pretty well made & never gave any trouble.
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I've had a few Spanish doubles over the years and never had an issue with the "dreaded" soft metal.
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Foxy, I don't imagine that your friend remembers Harley Earle, the greatest Buick designer ever. I have some guns from the collection of Lester Ruwe, who lived in Harley Earle's house in Grosse Point Shores. Ruwe, like Harley Earle, was a multi millionaire or more. Ruwe was the Ambassador to Iceland and owned a very large Ontario hunting preserve.
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Italian guns can have issues with soft internals, too. I have an Italian hammergun built in 1973 that had a soft sear in the left lock. Jim Kelley properly hardened it for me last year.
When it comes to Spanish guns the "dreaded" soft material is no more of a concern to me than the dreaded engraving, on all but the highest end guns. Yuchhh!
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After reading much of Jack O'Connor's writings about his wonderful Eusebio Arizaga 28-gauge, my buddy and I pooled our $s and ordered five Holland & Holland pattern sidelock 20-gauges with straight grip stocks and beavertail forearms, each with a different receiver and lockplate finish. I kept the black finished gun and Wayne kept the coin finished one and we sold the other three to cover our expenses. Problems started almost immediately, broken tumblers, soft sears bending, etc. Wayne's was gone before he left for Viet Nam. Mine shot very well, when it worked, eleven Roosters in fourteen shots during the 1967 season. After its second right tumbler replacement, it flowed down the river of commerce.
Have never seen the need to own another Spanish gun. The Eusebio Arizaga 28-gauge wasn't there when I visited the Jack O'Connor Hunting Heritage & Education Center in Hells Gate State Park in Lewiston, ID.
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