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On my street map for Czechia and Slovakia I found two, both in eastern Slovakia: - one east of Michalovce on the road to Ukrainian town of Uzgorod - another one on small sidestreet between Martin and Liptovsky Mikulas (this one also shown in a Polish google-hit) No town/village on my map in Czechia, but according Google "Lucky vrch" ( translates to Lucky mountain) at 56982 Oldris (few miles west of Moravska Trebova) / (another Polish google hit shows this under neighbouring village name...) There may be more as not all the small villages appear on the street maps.... Cheers Felix
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Many thanks- my late Paternal Grandparents came from Lucky Mountain, and in 1911, he was a mining engineer, he- Jacob, and my Maternal Grandmother Marta, left for America, came through Ellis Island, and eventually settled in Ohio. They both died within 6 months of another in 1917, from the outbreak of influenza, aka- "The Spanish Flu" that spread like wildfire across the Midwest during the time America was entering "The War To End All Wars."
My late father, and his two sisters, were all placed into the orphanage program with the Catholic Church, and were all eventually placed into foster homes. The people who took in my father were Christian, but not Roman Catholic, and they never formally adopted him, he was a ward, and when he was 21, he dropped the "Ski" from Muranski, and changed the "Muran" to Morin.
He had lost track of his sisters, but in the 1980's, when living in Florida, he found, through the Church, his one living sister Mildred Bartko- in Masaracktown, name for the Czech General, who with the Polish General, Pilsudski, aided Washington and others in our Revolutionary War. Mildred could speak, read and write; English, German and Polish--
Thank you for helping me trace my ethnic roots back to Eastern Europe. I can only wonder what that area in the Czech Republic would be today, had we not had to endure the tragedy of two World Wars that ravaged almost all of Europe, plus North Africa, Greece, and England.
I have been an avid student of World History since I was a lad, and at age 75, my thirst for details and facts has not diminished one iota..
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Will send you a PM as it may not be appropriate to discuss here history/ancestral research agenda Kind regards Felix
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The last thing I would have thought that my "rage-citizen" post would contribute are ancestry questions. To anticipate any more open questions of folks across the pond re Central-European ancestry-line or if you are faced with ancestry-questions by your kids and you have no answer - like I did not have - here is a summary of basic facts: - The catholic church decided in a concilium that every parish has to document birth,marriage, death, visitations (i.e. catholic-head counting by the local bishop): These documents go back 300-350 years (if not destroyed during the wars) . The first ca. 200 years in Latin, the last in local language i.e. German, Hungarian, Czech .... None of these are google-ized, nor digitized , just handwritten folio-volumes stored in local bishop archives or community sites. Research therein is not a question of an e-mail to this site or an extended weekend trip to Vienna/Prague/Budapest... I personally needed for my paternal side 3 months IN SITU, with a basic understanding of Latin etc..and got back to 1650. There are further documents ( in my case) in the archives of the former landowning aristo clan going back to ca 1500, but I decided not to pursue this trail anymore - Some districs have very comprehensive Topographic books with all the details (but not ancestry lines) the local admin and their experts could gather starting from neolithicum to yesterday... - If your grandpa was killed in WW I on the eastern front, there is a Polish !!! internet webpage (name/details forgotten) which documents the 300+ WW I graveyards still existing/ known, some even with photos (but no detailed soldier names...) Wish you good luck if you want to trace back you roots.. Happy new year Felix
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Thank you Felix- for the insight into the historical lineage lines and the control of the Roman Catholic Church in 17th Century Europe- and from that point onward through the ages. As my Paternal grandfather Jacob Murinski died in Ohio in June 1917 from the influenza outbreak that swept through the American heartland back then, a search of the WW1 records on the Polish Army side would not be fruitful. My younger sister did a geneology search on our family about 15 years ago- cost her quite a sum of money. My late father died in Florida unexpectedly in Sept 1986, but the blessing was that he had met and spent time with his sister, Mildred Bartko, living near Venice Fl. in Masarack Town, adjacent to Venice FL. Family histories from our European roots are fascinating, a tapestry of marriages, divorces, deaths and births- Many thanks again, my friend.
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To RwFox - PM is not accepted with your id - Have sent you yesterday e-mail to address as quoted in your profile Cheers Felix
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To Rwfox The PM of your profile does not allow responses. E-mail sent to the address of your profile is delayed/ not working Please can you send me a PM re your e-mail-address. I have some more info on the origin of your ancestral name Cheers Felix
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To "Run with the Fox" - PM to you not possible - My e-mail to the address quoted in your profile repeatedly delayed/not accepted So here are some more details:
In your post of 12/30 you tell that your name is derived from Muranski -> Muran -> Morin. Now: There exist in eastern Slovakia (southeast of Lower Tatry mountains): ... Muran (town/village) Muransky hrad (=castle) Muranska huta (town/village) Muranska zdychava (village) Muranska narodni park (national park) .... Many names in central Europe are derived from the towns/villages the ancestors lived in and just the Slavic or German ending added... My theory: Your ancestor originated from the area of Muran ...added the Slavic ending of "sky". He moved from the mountaneous/rural east Slovakian region to the industrialized Czech region for jobreasons... My hint to you: "Go east man, go east and locate your roots.." and add to your hobbies guns from Nowotny,Faukner, Morgenstern, Holecek and obviously also Lebeda ... Kind regards Felix Neuberger
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Indeed- I just guessed at the spelling- Muransky-Muranski-I will share all your research with my sister, who lives in Germantown MD. She was always more interested in our "roots" from Slavic Europe pre-WW1-- Also true, I believe, that especially in Germany and Austria, a surname could also be the same word used to describe or denote a trade or profession-- Herr Meuller- Mr. Miller-- a man who worked at a mill. Herr Zimmerman- a man who worked as a carpenter- Herr Baumann- A man who worked on or with trees- a tree surgeon--
Many thanks for all your fine research, for an e-mail "stranger" who lives in the American Midwest. I shall go to my "profile" on this BBS and see if I can figure out what is causing the apparent blocking of messages to me, at the listed e-address therein- Viel Gluck, mein Fruend.-
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"Go east man, go east and locate your roots.." and add to your hobbies guns from Nowotny,Faukner, Morgenstern, Holecek and obviously also Lebeda ...
Do not forget Tichy & Bittner as well as Fückert. Cheers, Raimey rse
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