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Hi All,
I bought a flat of Remington Game Loads (cheap target/dove ammo) from Cabela's on sale.
When I got it I assumed UPS or Cabela's had packed or abused it in shipping. There was loose shot everywhere and some of the boxes had opened.
I called Cabela's and they sent me 3 more boxes to make up for what was messed up (as a guess on the amount).
The 3 new boxes had the same issues.
At that point I contacted Remington through their website (no response)
What I have are 13 boxes of shells that look like the hulls were never skived, the crimps are opening, are dished, or have holes in the middle.
I have never seen factory ammo this bad in the 30 or so years I have been shooting.
I assume it is safe as worst case there is less or no shot so pressures will be less not more but my god....
Last Remington product I will buy and I own a lot of their products, guns and ammo both.
It's the I don't give a shit part that bothers me from Remington, Cabela's has tried to do the right thing, as it turns out it wasn't their problem, it was non existent quality control from Remington

I would not shoot any that the crimps have opened on. Loose shot is thought to be one of the causes of riveling in barrels.

Also with an open crimp pressure as you say will be lower. It Could, in fact, be too low for proper burning of the powder charge. This could lead to a stuck wad in the bore. If you do shoot any of them be sure & look through the bore prior to reloading the gun.

Premium shells are the best way to go imho.

I shoot Federal target ammo and have had very few problems in 12 or 20. I shoot AA in small gauges because they last when reloaded.
I quit Remington when they told me the reason for misfires was my new K-80. The next flat of the same shells pierced the primers quite often. Figureing that Remington would say that the gun had long fireing pins I solved the problem, no more Remington. I will say that sense Remington got rid of the investment groupe that sent there QC to the pits the people are much happier and things may turn around.

bill

I shoot Remington GL�s in 16 gauge during hunting season. For the last 15 or so years. I�ve NEVER had any issues with the shells, hulls, components, etc., ever. I reuse the hulls and reload them 5 or 6 times during the off season for practice loads too. I have 3 cases of Rem. GL�s stashed away for hunting season...no problem with the crimps from what I can tell.
I also use Remington Sportsman Steel loads quite a bit during waterfowl season. The common thought is that the Sportsman load is a low quality budget priced shell. It�s definitely not low quality. I challenge anyone to cut one open and look at the components compared to other loads.. including premium loads. The Sportsman is built with the same quality as the STS target load.
I�ll continue to use Remington ammunition.

I love Remington STS shells.

I have used Remington Game Loads for years mostly in 16 gauge (I probably have 5 or 6 flats downstairs), I have had issues in the past with them as well but not with bad crimps and the shot falling out of brand new shells.
My issues in the past were with hard primers and pierced primers, but they work in some of my guns if not others, and they were 16 gauge so harder to get.
Before this experience I was going to be buying 2 flats of the new Peters steel shells, those will be Federals now.
I am pissed at the lack of communication but honestly I have never bought new shells with loose shot rolling around in the boxes.
For premium target shells I load my own or shoot Federal papers as I don't like the new AA hull and at this point I wouldn't trust STS or Nitro 27's from Remington.

Interesting you should bring this topic up. I've recently been shooting Remington .22 Hornet ammo in two rifles and have gotten multiple split case mouths in both on firing the factory ammo. The first reloads had cases separating upon firing in both rifles. They were, to put it graciously, a huge disappointment. I've long avoided the lower grade Remington .22s because I could always count on between 1 and 5 out of a box of 50 failing to fire the first time and some no matter how many times I moved the case rim and reshot it. I still shoot a lot of Remington shotgun hulls with my own reloads, but haven't bought a new box of Remington shotshell ammo in years. And I've heard a lot of complaints about Remington rifles, including one today from a guy who ordered a higher grade short action Model 700 on which to do a custom rifle build in .223. The box arrived correctly marked, but with a .308 bolt face. And his dealer, who had ordered half a dozen of these, found all of them were the same. Remington corrected the problem, but how pissed off would you be as that dealer? And how many other dealers had the same problem?

Being acquired by a venture capital firm is not good for quality control.

Ship em to me. I'll pay freight and shoot em up for you. Life is too short to stress over some spilled shot. One phone call to Remington and they would have sent you a call ticket to pick up the ammo and after a couple of weeks sent you new stuff.