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L. Brown #554954 09/14/19 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
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According to Pew Research, based on world wide polls, roughly 10% of Muslims fully and enthusiastically support the terrorist actions against The West.

10% !!!

That's around 180 million people.

It's not some fringe.

The same polls suggest that up to an additional 45% tacitly approve of the anti west sentiment espoused by the vocal 10%.

That's another 800 million people.

Tell me again about this fringe group of Muslims????

What a crock!


Talk is cheap. Checking a box on a poll is even cheaper. If we were dealing with 800 million Muslims INVOLVED IN OR ACTIVELY SUPPORTING TERRORISM, it wouldn't look anything like the world we actually live in. The terrorists would be in charge of the Muslim world . . . which they clearly are not.

When Bin Laden declared war on the United States back in 1998, he stated in his fatwa that it was the duty of every Muslim, wherever they were, to kill Americans--however they could. Well, how's that worked out? After all, if you want to kill Americans, then the best place to be--the most target-rich environment--is obviously the USA. So . . . out of the several million Muslims living in the USA, how many of them either do that or attempt to do it? Hell, we have wacko all-American mass shooters who kill more people in a single event than are killed by Islamist terrorists in this country in an average YEAR. Looks pretty darned "fringy" to me. But then I was trained to look at what's actually happening, not at what polls show. And remember this about polls: If they were all that accurate, Hillary Clinton would be president.


Larry, one of the reasons why we don't hear about Islamists killing westerners, is because here and in the US, there is active suppression of the information about, and true motives of, numerous mass killers. The suppression is active by our goverments for sure and aided by a remarkably compliant media.

Take for example the mass shooting last summer in Toronto. Committed by a 20 something Muslim male. His brother, who the shooter was admittedly highly influenced by, was found with 42 kilograms (close to 90 pounds) of the opioid carfentanil. A drug 100 times more powerful than fentanyl.

To put that quantity in perspective, it's enough to kill 100 million people!

This is no street drug dealer.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4353028/danforth-shooter-older-brother-coma-charges/

And yet there is the pretense there was no national security issue. I have more examples but you get the drift. It's our governments' skills and their general incompetence that has saved our bacon, not a lack of threat.


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L. Brown #554973 09/15/19 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: L. Brown


Until relatively recently, there were fairly large Jewish communities in places like Morocco. They were required to pay a special tax and live in their own areas. Other than that, they were basically left alone. That only changed with the Zionist movement, the establishment of the modern state of Israel . . . and, in particular, the wars between Israel and neighboring Arab countries. The result of which was the relocation of most of those Jews--whose families had lived in peace in Muslim nations for centuries--to Israel or elsewhere.


It seems that in my entire lifetime, the wars between Israel and their Arab neighbors have resulted from escalating Arab attacks upon the state of Israel. The 1967 war was a preemptive attack made by Israel resulting from Arab threats to wipe out Israel. We have not seen Israel making unprovoked missile or mortar attacks on their Arab neighbors. Nor have we seen Israeli suicide bombers and Israeli terrorists going into their neighboring Arab countries and targeting innocent civilians.

Note the part in the QUOTE above where Larry Clown acts as if taxing and segregating Jews, before killing them and otherwise forcing them out, was reasonable and acceptable. Would Larry think it was OK for nations to have a special tax for Muslims, and to segregate them and make them live in their own areas???

Larry will not talk about the large number of Christians and Christian Churches that have been forced out of Muslim countries in recent years. Larry thinks that Muslims should be welcomed into predominately Christian countries, but he will not tell you how many of them restrict or ban the practice of Christianity.

Larry Clown is a sick Muslim sympathizer who has spent a great deal of time here and on other forums looking for any possible means to excuse the atrocities perpetrated and supported by his Muslim friends.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Canvasback, I don't know enough about "the media" in Canada to comment. But "the media" in the United States is hardly "compliant". That might have worked back in ancient times when there were only 3 TV networks. Not now, with a whole bunch of other networks. Not to mention all the Internet news sources.

And while your guy was caught with a whole bunch of opioids, the only way they're going to kill anyone is if people take them. It's not like he's got a nuke in his garage and all he has to do is detonate it.

When Islamists manage to kill people in this country, we do hear about it. When the govt stops them before they can do it, we also hear about that. But I look at the millions of Muslims in this country and the relatively small number of people who've been killed by Islamist terrorists in the US since 9/11. I think it took the Orlando nightclub shooter's body count to move the total number of deaths in the US from Islamist terrorists ahead of Tim McVeigh's score from one attack in Oklahoma City.

While we need to remain extremely vigilant to the Islamist terrorist threat, we can also count ourselves very lucky that it's mostly in places other than the United States. And by a significant margin, most of those killed by Muslims are . . . OTHER MUSLIMS.

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
...."the media" in the United States is hardly "compliant". That might have worked back in ancient times when there were only 3 TV networks. Not now, with a whole bunch of other networks. Not to mention all the Internet news sources....

....When Islamists manage to kill people in this country, we do hear about it. When the govt stops them before they can do it, we also hear about that....

....While we need to remain extremely vigilant to the Islamist terrorist threat, we can also count ourselves very lucky that it's mostly in places other than the United States. And by a significant margin, most of those killed by Muslims are . . . OTHER MUSLIMS.

So which is it, better to be lucky or the need to remain extremely vigilant? Isn't it more difficult to claim there is a need for anything, when there is an intentional effort to downplay it? Aren't the comments that you downplay just efforts to be vigilant?

We 'discuss' policy of a small group from which a challenger will arise to oppose the current President. What reason was given by the dnc for the network 'news' agency that was selected to 'host' the debates? Are you saying that internet searches are the equivalent of your reasoning decisions? Is it looking like dominant search and social media, 'news' sources, are increasingly facing legal scrutiny for bias?

Just for curiousity, why are 'they' Muslims to you and not Americans? Is that particular group given an exemption from the 'separation of state' war against Christian religion? Does the intel quantify how much money is raised by Muslims in America that ends up funding overseas terrorism and military operations against US troops? Do we need to be extremely vigilant, or do we throw that in for the appearance of wisdom and balance?

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Craig, when you're playing defense--which is what you're doing when you're trying to prevent mass shootings of any kind--you certainly need to be vigilant. But why would you suggest that there's anything wrong with being lucky? What's bad is counting on luck and not being vigilant.

As for the rest of your babbling, I'm not quite sure how many different tracks you're trying to run your trains on. "Muslim" defines them by religion. "American" defines them by nationality. If it's Islamist terrorists we're concerned with in this country, with the exception of 9/11, most of the Islamist terrorist attacks have been carried out by American Muslims. But given that Bin Laden declared war on America over 20 years ago, and said it was the duty of Muslims to kill Americans, wherever and however they could do so . . .then it seems to me quite clear that the vast majority of American Muslims didn't buy into his message. We all know it's not that hard to acquire guns in this country. If a lot of American Muslims were following Bin Laden's guidance, then it seems to me we'd be hearing reports of American Muslims committing attacks pretty much every day. There are, after all, millions of them available to do it.

As for the comment about Muslims in this country raising money to fund overseas terrorism . . . yes, that happens. And it happens to be a crime, and a number of them have been caught, put on trial, and gone to prison for doing it. "Follow the money" is a very effective way to track terrorists and those who support them. Did you think that someone who worked in counterintelligence and counterterrorism would be unaware of that, Craig? That's so basic that it's like kindergarten stuff. You need to try harder if you're going to tell us (including other well-informed people here) things we aren't well aware of.

But you will have to explain to me what you mean by news sources facing legal scrutiny for bias. If there were a law against bias, then it would be illegal for media outlets to publish editorials and opinion pieces. And certainly illegal for them to state which candidate they're backing in an election. Obvious bias there, right?

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Keith that's because Larry the Clown is a Muslim sympathizer.

L. Brown #555049 09/16/19 07:18 AM
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All news reporting, regardless of the medium used, is biased. Always has been, always will be.RWTF


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L. Brown #555051 09/16/19 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
....As for the rest of your babbling, I'm not quite sure how many different tracks you're trying to run your trains on....

It's the shotgun approach Larry.

I think vigilant means to profile. You say switch on a condescending tone, and start dismissing and equivocating. It's the old kindergarten joke about the silver haired white granny getting pulled out of line at the airport for a cavity search.

When you say follow the money, are you saying the tiny handful that are prosecuted had only sent proven personal money? Or, does the money come from many thousands more smaller donors? Here's your tactic, 'seems' to me like all that happens is a vacuum is formed at the top of a large pyramid, and the majority of the pyramid seeks a means elsewhere.

You said the only possible 'news' bias is some long gone era of three networks. Since you offered that the internet is a news source, I shouldn't have to explain, permissible up to this point, bias in search. Or, are you saying it's difficult to find news that isn't served up on a silver platter?

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Craig, the problem with profiling is that the cops can get themselves into trouble for doing it. Yet think on this: You end up dead. Victim of a murder. Who's the first person the cops look at, assuming you're married? Your wife. So they do profile. But they have to be cautious about it.

But since you've mentioned it . . . people who work counterterrorism and counterintelligence profile all the time. You've got a suspicion that there's a spy in your office. If someone all of a sudden seems to be spending money right and left, you think maybe the Russians hooked that guy. They mostly buy their spies. Long gone are the days when American Commies would spy for the Communist USSR based on ideology. But if you happen to have a Chinese American in your office, or someone who's spent significant time in China, you might think maybe it's a Chinese spy . . . because those are the kinds of people they target. So rest easy. Profiling is alive and well. Can't speak for the TSA . . . but you never know what Granny might be packing. Maybe she's carrying a package her nice Muslim neighbor gave her . . .to deliver wherever she's going.

Wherever the money comes from, if the feds smell a rat, they'll follow ALL the rats. The only problem is this: Proving that the small donors were aware that they money they think they were donating to widows and orphans in Palestine was really going to Hamas. Or to whatever terrorist group. Which is why it's often easier to get the big fish if he's the final link in the chain.

As for bias: I'm still not sure what your point is. Biased news isn't illegal. What the Internet has done is put a profusion of electronic versions of The Enquirer at our fingertips. Used to be you could only get that in the supermarket checkout line. But you have bias from BOTH DIRECTIONS. Pretty much whatever your political opinion, you can find it both supported and attacked on the Net. Result: People tend to gravitate to media outlets that have the same bias that they do. And they're not very diligent about fact checking.

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Thanks for taking the time to respond Larry, you read quite differently than your usual all is kumbaya, nothing to see here move along, we're all just friends.

Your small donor comment raises two thoughts, for me. One is that how come regular Americans can't get a pass for criminal behavior by just claiming ignorance of the law? Why not stick all the names of the small fish in a hat and randomly pull out a few thousand of them to prosecute with the big fish? Wouldn't that make all small fish think twice and do their due diligence before, let's say speeding, or jaywalking, or illegally crossing the southern border, oops bad example?

The second thing that comes to mind is that maybe you are significatly understating the extent of Muslims in America support for world wide terrorist activities, because it's easier? When you choose to use the link in the chain analogy, you seem to be admitting to a larger problem, not a miniscule percentage of big fish.

As I see it, when you discuss bias, you seem to fall back into that equivocating mode. Nothing to see here, move on, eh? If you have the will to look, people aren't thought to gravitate towards their bias'. They are being conditioned to have someone else's bias.

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