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On this line on Gavin's auction last December 2018, I mentioned I purchased a 16 gauge SxS side lever Reilly with Perks ejectors, crystal indicators, side clips, etc. SN 27553, quite heavy for a 16 at 6 lbs 9 oz...and number 1 of a pair.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=531133&page=1

I also mentioned that Terry Buffum had sold what appeared to be an almost identical gun, number 2 of a pair, but a 12 gauge SN 27854 at Amokeag a couple of years ago.
http://www.amoskeagauction.com/110/133.php

"27553" arrived today after a 10 month odyssey and lo and behold the SN is 27853! It must be the #1 pair to Terry's former gun. (27853 on top, 27854 on bottom):




Any suggestions as to how I might locate the new owner of 27854 - sold I think in Spring 2016? I've sent a message to Amoskeag.


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Wow, beautiful side lever. Why so heavy? New barrels that weren't struck down properly?

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Well, the ad said (with the side fences and flat rib and 30" steel barrels) that it was built to "pigeon gun specs." Terry says that the Whitworth barrels alone were an indication of quality.

It has an automatic safety and is choked "true cylinder," "1/2" - a combination I like; so I doubt it's a pigeon gun (unless the chokes have been relieved - and since it is "cyl" in right barrel but has "not for ball" - it would seem likely the chokes have been relieved)...16 bores in pigeon shoots were shot from a pace closer to the target than 12 bores in the 1880's I believe. Stan would know more.

I date it to 1886. It still has "Paris" on the rib - explained in the Reilly history (Reilly closed rue Scribe in July 1885). It has been rechambered (I assume) for 2 3/4 (might have been original though?) and reproofed for nitro but still has a legible "not for ball" on the water table. Note the identical specs right down to reproofing for both guns...except for LOP....14" for the 16, 14 5/8" for the 12.


I was going to put a 3/4" pad on the butt...but looking at the pics of Terry's 27854 - no pad, no steel butt plate...I'd better keep it original in case I can track down that other gun. (wonder if this was a husband/wife sort of thing?)

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ARGO44,
Food for thought.

Many of the pairs made by William Powell & Son during that era weren't
consecutively numbered.

Could this be the case with the guns you're discussing?

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Possibly the two guns are part of a "batch" bought in from the Trade - W&C Scott - either as the finished article or then finished by Reilly?
Good luck with the search for the 12g.

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It'd be great to own both. But I'm thinking . . . pairs? Often used for driven shooting. You'd drive a loader nuts trying to keep 16ga and 12ga shells straight.

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Originally Posted By: Argo44
Well, the ad said (with the side fences and flat rib and 30" steel barrels) that it was built to "pigeon gun specs." Terry says that the Whitworth barrels alone were an indication of quality.

I"true cylinder," "1/2" - a combination I like) so I doubt it's a pigeon gun (unless the chokes have been relieved)...16 bores in pigeon shoots were shot from a pace closer to the target than 12 bores in the 1880's I believe. Stan would know more.

I date it to 1886. It still has "Paris" on the rib - explained in the Reilly history (Reilly closed rue Scribe in July 1885). It has been rechambered (I assume) for 2 3/4 (might have been original though?) and reproofed for nitro but still has a legible "not for ball" on the water table. Note the identical specs right down to reproofing for both guns...except for LOP....14" for the 16, 14 5/8" for the 12.


"mAtched pair" my dAiry'air.

Fooled by the ol'Pigeon gun trick....

"Not for ball" might be a little old for Whitworth steel barrels....

"True Cylinder" wouldn't be marked "Not for ball"....what you got there is a hone jOb with lengthened chambers.

Blued Damascus maybe...get her out in some strong sunlight and get back with me.

I must say 'nice tarted up pAre...

Couldn't happen to a nicer skally'wAg.

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Originally Posted By: greener4me
Possibly the two guns are part of a "batch" bought in from the Trade - W&C Scott - either as the finished article or then finished by Reilly?
Good luck with the search for the 12g.

Most likely....

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Originally Posted By: Argo44

16 bores in pigeon shoots were shot from a pace closer to the target than 12 bores in the 1880's I believe. Stan would know more.

Stan is old but he's not that old...just sAying.

Stanley can you make him feel better about getting broke open by a tArted up Scott ?

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Good looking gun Gene. I like how it handles as well. Side levers have always appealed to me.


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