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My 1872 Boss hammer gun is marked externally with identical serial numbers, but internally a couple of the bits are numbered to a gun 20#s ahead. All appear absolutely original. It could be a similar situation with the Reilly. It is amazing how many parts EFP emblazoned with a beautiful S/N never to be seen except by a gunsmith.


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I've had a lot of discussions with David Trevallion about Reilly numbering systems for their parts. Most gun makers seem to have numbered their various bits...especially hammers....for specific guns, seeing as how they were pretty well hand made by templates. I've never seen a serial numbered Reilly hammer...or any other bit except forearm, action, barrels, and trigger tang.. (edit: 10655 hs serial numbered on the inside of the action plates...not sure anybody else has ever checked).

Reilly's business model emphasized cheapness, speed of delivery but quality. I'm wondering if this "grabbing parts out of a bin" without sweating the extensive numbering systems, was part of his economization of production.

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Clear to me you have O'Reilly confused with W.C. Scott & Sons real gunmakers.

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Confusingly, the gun has a slight difference in serial numbers; the table reads 19286, the barrels and foreend 19206, the trigger guard 1928 could the table be a mistaken number?


The Johnny Cash O'Reilly...one piece at a time.

Proof as clear as a hand in front of ones face....that Reilly was more of a gun farmer than a gun maker.


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For the record, Whitworth Grain sheaf trade marks on the barrels:


1883 Hurlingham rules for pigeon shoots allowed 1/2 yard closer to the target for every caliber smaller than 12 bore up to 16...Thus 16 gauge would shoot 2 yards closer to the target than a 12.




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Originally Posted By: Argo44
I've e-mailed Amoskeag asking them to forward my email address to the person who bought Terry's 12 bore.

I've never found a Reilly pair without consecutive serial numbers. That said, there are only a few extant Reilly pairs though there are references to others.

This pair did not sell:


Terry Buffum"s 34221, 34222


The description, and pictures of the two - the 16 bore 27853 and the 12 bore 27854 are so similar that one must assume they went together - perhaps a husband wife team?

"1" from 27853: Note the "round flower panel on top of action." Note the "engraved" "1" inside the fore arm...see below


No picture of the "2" on 27854 but the description is identical:
serial #27854, 12 ga., 30" barrels with bright excellent bores choked full and full. This shotgun is built on a W. & C. Scott crystal indicator action with side clips and with each lock being engraved "E.M. REILLY & CO. / LONDON". The markings on the tops of the barrel are difficult to read but appear to be the E.M. Reilly & Company name and London address on the left barrel and a Paris address on the right barrel. The shotgun was part of a set and is numbered "2" in gold on dolls head rib extension and engraved on interior forend metal. The barrels are Birmingham nitro proofed for 2 3/4" shells with 1 1/16 oz. loads. The minimum wall thickness is generally .0245 with one small area that gets to .023. The action and locks show near full coverage tight English scroll engraving with a nice round flower panel on top of action. The barrels retain about 95% evenly thinning restored blue finish overall. The action and locks show an even gray patina and remain very smooth and free of pitting. The checkered straight grip walnut buttstock and splinter forend rate very good plus as refinished long ago. The gun features a 14 5/8" length of pull over checkered butt and shows drops of 1 1/2" and 2 3/8". The gun locks up tight and points beautifully. A neat crystal indicator sidelever Reilly Ejectorgun. (17147-176) {C&R} [Terry Buffum Collection](1500/2500)

Unfortunately the weight of Terry's 12 bore 27854 is not mentioned in the ad, but I would bet it were 7 lbs 8 oz - the Hurlingham maximum pigeon gun weight adopted for the 1883 season.

There is one interesting hint on the 16 bore 27853; this cartouche is on the lower part of the stock. It appears to be a crest with a woman on it above a crown. One wonders if perhaps the 16 bore was indeed used by the wife?



It looks a lot like a variant of the Clan Urquhart badge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Urquhart




If they were essentially the same model (but in different gauges) made for a husband and wife, or perhaps a father and son . . . seems odd to me that the stock dimensions would be the same.

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Larry, 16 bore has 14" LOP.......12 bore is 14 5/8" LOP (per Amoskeag). I assume the weights are different. I haven't checked the drops on 27853. They might not be a pair and skepticism is called for...but I'm trying to find that other gun, just in case.

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I was going by your comment that the description is identical.

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Shot it today for the first time at sporting clays....I could only find one box of 16ga 2 3/4" shells at the range...1 oz, 1300 fps, #8 shot. I had ordered a flat of 1200 fps shells but they haven't arrived. I ran through the box without seeming to have the crap kicked out of me...weight of the gun and balance I supposed. I shot it pretty well for a first time gun and all. Right ejector is not working properly and shells were sometimes hung up. Other than that, a beautiful shooting gun. It was worth every penny.


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Argo44,
Earlier in the thread a question was raised about Whitworth Steel barrels
and if they were consistent with the date range of the proof marks. The earliest Whitworth Steel barrels I've located on a Powell gun date to 1881.

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Originally Posted By: Argo44
Shot it today for the first time at sporting clays....I could only find one box of 16ga 2 3/4" shells at the range...1 oz, 1300 fps, #8 shot. I had ordered a flat of 1200 fps shells but they haven't arrived. I ran through the box without seeming to have the crap kicked out of me...weight of the gun and balance I supposed. I shot it pretty well for a first time gun and all. Right ejector is not working properly and shells were sometimes hung up. Other than that, a beautiful shooting gun. It was worth every penny.


Glad to hear you're enjoying the gun.

1300 fps is pretty fast for 1 oz 16ga loads. Most of them run more like 1165 fps. That difference will reduce recoil significantly. So will shooting 7/8 oz reloads--which are much easier to make these days with the availability of wads designed for lighter loads.

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